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posted February 11, 2010 06:23 PM
Brocks by Hindle SW
I got a used SW and stock oil pan in the mail today. Im trading Roger for my Hindle step tube and modified pan. 
I noticed that the flanges arent a perfect fit. it feels like there is a very large bump in the short turn area. the top is much better because the pipe is turning. Im wondering if i should give the flange a chamfer(red arrow) ??
its been dragged on the very end from his bike squatting hard so Im going to flatten it out a little bit for extra clearance (like a ti winder) and cut it to copy Brocks new pro stock tip(shorter so more clearance). I dont plan on ever running a baffle anyway  if it will polish up nicely thats how I will run it, but it may just get black header paint for this season, eventually ceramic coated 
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posted February 12, 2010 05:15 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 12 Feb 2010 13:26
That's a very nice pipe, Scott.
I'm not sure that the spigots require any work? That general design is used on most all of Brock's pipes. The exceptions are the TiWinder and CT series. They use billet spigots and the pipe slides inside of the spigot. That way there is no restriction due to the smaller ID of the spigot as compared to the header. Unfortunately those systems use metric tubing, so you can't just use the spigots with a standard system. But you could copy the design.
You could probably even make them lighter, the billet ones are very heavy.
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posted February 12, 2010 07:16 AM
Just slash cut it..........
Mine is at the powder coater getting black ceramic coated now........
I would not mess with the pipe Scott, those pipes are proven to make good hp. It will hang just lower than a coby pan........, that is fixable in a couple hours, shaving the spigots,and headers just a touch.......,
I should have pics of mine in about 3 weeks, body is in paint now......, chassis is finished, and all the wiring is finished......., I would post of pic of my pipe, if I had it......, also, you can make another hole in the sidewinder bracket by the footpeg, and swing it up, thats the only way mine would keep from flattening out........
Good luck.
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posted February 12, 2010 03:44 PM
slash cuts are too harleyish for me. a turnout looks way nicer IMO
a stock head makes good power too, but a little work and it makes more. this is really just an extension of the exhaust port, and i wouldnt leave anything like that in the head
this shows what Im talking about a little better
thx for the pic Shane. I need to get the calipers out....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 12, 2010 07:01 PM
closer inspection shows that the pipe has been slightly enlarged to accept the spigot. most of this has happened on the "top" of the pipes which exagerates the lip on the bottom.
something tells me if these spigots were switched for larger ones it would be less restrictive on a ported head
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 13, 2010 04:13 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 13 Feb 2010 12:15
Here is how my parts measured:
quote:
First, the Shortmeg header spigots:
Next the CT header spigot:
As you can see, the CT spigots are much larger. That is because the header pipes slide inside the spigot, instead of vice-versa. This eliminates any restriction.
In order for this to be useful, the CT header would have to be larger in ID than the standard spigots:
It is indeed about 2mm larger than the standard spigots. So, these new CT spigots will definitely remove a restriction. I imagine that this would really benefit a ported head or larger motor to an even greater extent.
Anyway, just wanted to give you an idea of the difference.
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posted February 13, 2010 10:39 AM
Edited By: KZScott on 13 Feb 2010 18:46
a little help from google
34.12 millimeters = 1.34330709 in
38.34 millimeters = 1.50944882 in
36.37 millimeters = 1.43188976 in
looks like the smeg uses pretty much the same spigot.
I got about 1.50 in for the OD of the part of the pipe that slides over the spigot.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 15, 2010 07:14 PM
this is off topic, but its my thread
my 7month old niece getting her hands dirty on bike stuff for the first time. I think she likes the Brock SW
gotta start them young. she will be driving a hot pink jr dragster in a few yrs
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 15, 2010 09:30 PM
Got one in Planet Kolor Fusion I will sell ya in a couple years...........LOL, thats close enough to pink eh? 0-90 in 7.2???, ehh LOL
Cute kid.
My neice has been "helping" me in the garage lately........, its funny.
As some of you know, I adopted my daughter, I did not know her when she was small, 5 years till now, but nothing before......., I am finding, I missed A LOT.
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posted February 15, 2010 09:32 PM
Back to subject.........
Wonder what the hp difference would be? If any?
Doug? Jim?
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posted February 16, 2010 04:38 AM
As far as flow its not a problem. toy wouldn't even be able to measure it really. The real issue is the wave propagation in the pipe. But even then its not very much change in cross sectional area so it wouldn't be a problem.
But if you were to have a large change in cross sectional area either bigger or smaller it can reflect the pressure wave or reflect a percentage of it which will change the amplitude or if the area change is big enough it will change direction and sine. Like when it gets to the open end of a pipe.
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posted February 16, 2010 02:08 PM
I have been talking to Doug and Jim off this board, Jim says leave it, Doug says remove the small tubing for larger. brock pipe has 1.5 in od tapering to 1.75. Muzzy pro pipe has 1.6 tapering to 1.75. Doug says copy the Muzzy design to the Brock SW to get better peak power at the expense of low end.
Im totally confused who to go with
motor will be big with lots of nitrous....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 16, 2010 02:11 PM
something else to ponder, Brock used to sell big cc spigots, but had problems with them leaking. does anyone know if they were similar to the ones Shane has?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted February 16, 2010 08:59 PM
quote:
something else to ponder, Brock used to sell big cc spigots, but had problems with them leaking. does anyone know if they were similar to the ones Shane has?
I don't know about those, but I had no problems with mine leaking after 35 passes.
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posted February 17, 2010 07:13 AM
I wonder what the hp difference is, on a 1300 to 1400 cc motor is on the large vs. normal spigots..........?
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