almost_les
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posted November 21, 2009 01:08 PM
 Edited By: almost_les on 21 Nov 2009 21:15
anybody else feeling as ripped off a i am?!
lmk what you guys think:
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Cylinders_-_A_Series_(SS_Round_Body,_Non-repairable)/1-1-z-16_inch_Bore/A17020DP
AND
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/Pneumatic_Components/Pneumatic_Cylinders_-_A_Series_(SS_Round_Body,_Non-repairable)/_Non-repairable_Pneumatic_Cylinders_(A_Series)_Accessories/ARC-516-24
VS
http://www.mpsracing.com/products/MPS/as16.asp
$46.75 for an mps sticker.
  
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almost_les
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posted November 21, 2009 01:34 PM
Edited By: almost_les on 21 Nov 2009 21:36
here's another:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/search.shtml?searchQuery=6jj52&op=search&Ntt=6jj52&N=0&sst=All
VS
http://www.mpsracing.com/products/MPS/as06.asp
at least that sticker is only $16.50
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2000redrocket
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posted November 21, 2009 02:38 PM
we use both the companys you mention at the saw mill i work at. it is supprizing what you save when you stop getting it from the package dealer and go to the source.
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Phantom13
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posted November 21, 2009 02:44 PM
Does the source offer a lifetime warrantee like MPS?
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2000redrocket
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posted November 21, 2009 02:48 PM
doubt it. but when we have valves and cylinders thay cycle thousands of times a day go for 5 to 10 years? well i guess you get my point anyway.
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almost_les
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posted November 21, 2009 03:18 PM
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doubt it. but when we have valves and cylinders thay cycle thousands of times a day go for 5 to 10 years? well i guess you get my point anyway.
if they are that reliable, i'd rather keep the extra money in my pocket.
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14nooby
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posted November 21, 2009 03:48 PM
Do you think any of the aftermarket companies make any of their own stuff? It does not surprise me one bit that grainger sells this type of stuff. I understand your point but the entire world does the same thing. Buy cheap sell high.
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posted November 21, 2009 04:01 PM
McMaster Carr is where I get a lot of stuff...you'd be surprised at everything they sell...
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06redzx14
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posted November 21, 2009 05:19 PM
MPS only offers lifetime on the kill box not the other parts
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posted November 21, 2009 06:09 PM
i will tell you as en electrical engineer in control of automation and robotics, those little "throwaway actuators" are the shit.
i've seen those things survive pure water infiltration, getting blasted with cement, corrosives, chamicals, abrasive dust.. and they live for many months in that sorta environment.
i used to just be amazed at the abuse those little guys could sustain. the valves are easily serviceable, even tho they say you can't do it. i worked in a paper mill for 4 years ad an idustrial mechanic.. you can definitely service those valves. the plant i worked at was cheap as shit . .lol
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posted November 21, 2009 07:07 PM
this is why i made my airshifter instead of buying a kit  thx Nox
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posted November 21, 2009 07:17 PM
But -- Dan Rudd at MPS chose that air cylinder out of 50 different versions available at Grainger / McMaster-Carr, because it had the right specs for the job. Same thing for the solenoid, there are dozens of styles. So give the guy a break for wanting to make a few bucks on assembling the right parts in a kit, not to mention building all the electronics to do all the cool stuff we want on our race bikes. JMHO.
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posted November 22, 2009 05:03 AM
I'll give that guy a break, but if I can save 1/2 the money I would part the kit together myself. I know its going to a good company... BUT money in my pocket is 100 percent beteer than in someone elses. Especially with the way things are going these days.
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posted November 22, 2009 05:07 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 22 Nov 2009 14:11
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BUT money in my pocket is 100 percent beteer than in someone elses. Especially with the way things are going these days.
Yeah, because those other guys don't need to eat. 
I'm just not much into the "all about me" thing. There are a lot of folks who seem to "take, take, take"...but give nothing back in return. Like the kind of folks who will tie up a vendor on the phone for an hour...then buy the product elsewhere because it's $5 cheaper. I'm not saying anyone here did that...but, you get my point.
I try to support those who contribute to the sport, whenever I can...
As for the MPS stuff...well, I wouldn't say they were ripping anyone off. You're paying for their service and support...if you don't want it, then don't pay for it.
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posted November 22, 2009 06:16 AM
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BUT money in my pocket is 100 percent beteer than in someone elses. Especially with the way things are going these days.
Yeah, because those other guys don't need to eat.
I'm just not much into the "all about me" thing. There are a lot of folks who seem to "take, take, take"...but give nothing back in return. Like the kind of folks who will tie up a vendor on the phone for an hour...then buy the product elsewhere because it's $5 cheaper. I'm not saying anyone here did that...but, you get my point.
I try to support those who contribute to the sport, whenever I can...
As for the MPS stuff...well, I wouldn't say they were ripping anyone off. You're paying for their service and support...if you don't want it, then don't pay for it.
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When you run into installation problems try and call Grainger for tech supports. Make sure you tell them that you are working on bike . They might help you install it better than MPS.............. 
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almost_les
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posted November 22, 2009 01:18 PM
Edited By: almost_les on 22 Nov 2009 21:28
i agree that it is pretty cool that he picked out the right one out of the different models, even though many of them would work in an air shifter application (and other cylinders would be better depending on the bike), and i definitely have to give him credit for stuff like his autoshifter, and other proprietary stuff. making that kinda stuff at home is way out of my league, let alone doing it well enough to sell them. i also understand that these guys need to put food on their plates, but lets look at that clevis: $15 vs $2.75. nothing special. didn't make it. just repacked it and now its 4.5x the original price. and if you're gonna tie up the phone line for an hour using tech support trying to figure out how to install a clevis on a cylinder, you probably shouldn't be racing on a bike in the first place. now i have other mps products on my bike like the switch swapper. yeah its only $10 worth of parts from radio shack and i paid $40, but i have no problem with that because its something that was actually worked on. he had to figure out the wiring and how to make it work for different bikes. its quality work and he makes them consistenly. that stuff deserves the 300% markup because some thought and effort was put into it. just seems to me like repackaged products are going for more than what they should.
this is all just personal opinion BTW, not trying to tell anyone to stop buying from racing stores. i know im not gonna stop. they rock.
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posted November 22, 2009 01:29 PM
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But -- Dan Rudd at MPS chose that air cylinder out of 50 different versions available at Grainger / McMaster-Carr, because it had the right specs for the job. Same thing for the solenoid, there are dozens of styles. So give the guy a break for wanting to make a few bucks on assembling the right parts in a kit, not to mention building all the electronics to do all the cool stuff we want on our race bikes. JMHO.
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Whatever Mr Rudd needs to charge for whatever widget or service is all part of his business model.
The whole package of uplift margins = what it takes for him to stay in business.
Answering the phone = no direct $
R&D = no direct $
Cost of stocking parts = no direct $
I gladly pay "high" prices to great folks like MPS, hope they stay in (profitable) business for a long time, yup.
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posted November 22, 2009 03:00 PM
Been telling you guys this forever.
I get my stuff direct from Air Draulics in Memphis.
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posted November 23, 2009 02:43 AM
Some people need a kit, others can build from scratch.
My first kit came with all the well know stickers, and I was glad to get it.
I've build several since but it was the first one that TAUGHT me how to build the rest.
Education has a cost. You pay for what others know that you don't.
How much does a oil change cost at the Kawasaki dealer?
Why do some pay $40-60-80 at dealer to fix there car/bikes and others
build them from nothing?
MPS advertises a product with the price they want , it's up to you if you want it!
If you want to feel ripped off, research the profit Walgreens makes.
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