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posted October 24, 2009 09:53 AM
batteries and strokers
I was having a hard time trying to start the bike with 24vdc.I could only get 5-6 tries and the battery would be too dead to turn it over.Just for ha-ha's, I tried with just the single battery and no problems.It has started several times now with the engine hot. Naturally my bike finally runs and it is raining out, ce' la vie.
The secondary battery was new so I just don't understand why the difference.Karl and Jim were both getting more starts out of their system so maybe it is just a crap battery.
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posted October 24, 2009 10:32 AM
Load test at a auto parts store Pete...
After a full charge of course
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posted October 24, 2009 02:00 PM
Pete, check the standing voltage of both batteries. You will notice one is lower than the other.
Charge them up.
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posted October 24, 2009 02:22 PM
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Pete, check the standing voltage of both batteries. You will notice one is lower than the other.
Charge them up.
Thats what gets me as I always put the battery tenders on after each use.
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posted October 24, 2009 10:01 PM
one (or both) of them may be sulfated..
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posted October 24, 2009 10:53 PM
that's pretty weird; i get lotsa starts outa my second battery, but i monitor its voltage, when it gets to 12.6, i charge it fully.
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posted October 25, 2009 04:43 AM
Whats the voltage on each one Pete?
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posted October 25, 2009 02:14 PM
I just took it for a ride and the voltage was at 13.5dcv no matter what the rpm.In the off position,the battery reads12.8dcv.
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posted October 26, 2009 03:40 AM
Check the standing voltage of each battery with the bike off and key off.
If one is low it wont start.
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posted October 26, 2009 04:29 AM
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Check the standing voltage of each battery with the bike off and key off.
If one is low it wont start.
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posted October 26, 2009 08:37 AM
Entropy,you have timing taken out at idle,correct?I heard your bike start and it didn't sound like you have a full motor rotation and the engine was lit.I only have a Muzzy manual advancer so I'm wondering if that maybe the difference.I initially had it set at 5*plus and moved it back to 2 1/2* over stock.
Check the standing voltage of each battery with the bike off and key off.----- I did on the primary and was at 12.8.
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posted October 26, 2009 09:04 AM
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Check the standing voltage of each battery with the bike off and key off.----- I did on the primary and was at 12.8.
What was the second battery voltage?
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posted October 26, 2009 09:16 AM
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Entropy,you have timing taken out at idle,correct?I heard your bike start and it didn't sound like you have a full motor rotation and the engine was lit.I only have a Muzzy manual advancer so I'm wondering if that maybe the difference.I initially had it set at 5*plus and moved it back to 2 1/2* over stock.
Pete,
I guess you don't have a PC3r???? They ain't real expensive on ebay.
I don't remember what i have for adv at 500-2000, 0-2% throttle; i am guessing zero.
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posted October 26, 2009 11:24 AM
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Entropy,you have timing taken out at idle,correct?I heard your bike start and it didn't sound like you have a full motor rotation and the engine was lit.I only have a Muzzy manual advancer so I'm wondering if that maybe the difference.I initially had it set at 5*plus and moved it back to 2 1/2* over stock.
Pete,
I guess you don't have a PC3r???? They ain't real expensive on ebay.
I don't remember what i have for adv at 500-2000, 0-2% throttle; i am guessing zero.
No I have one of those usb power commanders and I didn't want to pay $355 for the ignition module.I had a problem at the dyno and we thought it was the pc.The usb was all he had for my bike.I looked on ebay with no luck for a pc111.
Jim,I didn't measure that one yet because I didn't run 24v this time.Having the battery box on the side of my knee is a pia.
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posted October 26, 2009 11:34 AM
PC3r's are avail from time to time.
buy one & sell the USB (that's what I did)
USB does all kinda stuff i don't need, but other folks do.
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posted October 26, 2009 01:16 PM
Get u a SpeedCell Technologies battery and all of your problems will be solved sir !!!
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posted October 26, 2009 01:44 PM
The spare battery was 13.8dcv which is a lot higher than the primary(12.8).Looks like I need a new battery.
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posted October 26, 2009 01:56 PM
Who sells the Speedcell Technologies battery? I did a search and only came up with forums.
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posted October 26, 2009 03:03 PM
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Who sells the Speedcell Technologies battery? I did a search and only came up with forums.
kws sells them
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posted October 27, 2009 03:22 AM
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Entropy,you have timing taken out at idle,correct?I heard your bike start and it didn't sound like you have a full motor rotation and the engine was lit.I only have a Muzzy manual advancer so I'm wondering if that maybe the difference.I initially had it set at 5*plus and moved it back to 2 1/2* over stock.
Pete,
I guess you don't have a PC3r???? They ain't real expensive on ebay.
I don't remember what i have for adv at 500-2000, 0-2% throttle; i am guessing zero.
i looked at my ign adv map and i have:
-1 @ 500-1000-1500, from 0-100% throttle
0's @ 2000-13000 0-2% throttle
Pete,
my 2nd battery, brand new, is stable at 13V after a full slow charge
my primary battery, gelcell a couple years old, is more or less stable at 12.8V after long slo charge.
i think it's getting old bc V slowly decreases, or maybe i have some lil drain on it.
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posted October 27, 2009 03:50 AM
I noticed a difference on the voltage after going on a ride so I want to test out the charging system first before any new battery.I'm still concerned on how long it takes the bike to fire up,I can't believe that small a timin g change will effect it.
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posted October 27, 2009 07:54 AM
KWS sells them...Tell Chip that you have a stroker motor and he will point you in the right direction on which model to choose !!!
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posted October 27, 2009 07:37 PM
Sounds like both your batteries are fine. Any average battery is around 12.7 or so. One fresh off of a charger will always read higher than normal.
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posted October 27, 2009 09:02 PM
Pete,
maybe something else (other than battery) is causing yr motor to not fire up immediately.
prob a dumb idea, but as a lil test, why not put a pressure gauge on the fuel line to yr rail; make sure it is at 42-ish when you turn on the key before you hit the starter button.
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posted November 26, 2009 02:27 PM
I had my brother check the bike out when it started.While cold,it'll start but take a few seconds.Once it is up to temp and then shut down for ten minutes,it won't start.He seem to think it was overfueling due to the gas smell coming from the pipes.I have brought the fuel down via the external button on the USB all the way to the bottom and it still is too rich.Aside from disconnecting the PC111,what else could make this run rich?
Karl,I haven't put a gauge on it yet.What size tubing is it so I can get the right size tee and extra tubing?
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