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posted June 09, 2009 09:42 PM
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It's not the 0 weight oil that BROCK is talking bout. It's the less than <0 zero weight oil he is referring to !!!! And i wonder why Alisyn is the only company that makes a less than zero weight oil. Redline makes a 2 weight oil thats kinda close to it in comparison. Rickey Gadson used some of the Redline 2 weight oil in his 2008 Kawasaki ZX14 when testing it when they first came out and it made good horsepower too with less than a 100 miles on it....
  
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posted June 16, 2009 07:25 AM
in an all motor application, I can see it........
With having your own atmosphere in a bottle, or hairdryer........, I do not see the need........ ,make the power elsewhere, and be a little safer on the bottom end.......
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posted June 16, 2009 09:02 AM
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It's not the 0 weight oil that BROCK is talking bout. It's the less than <0 zero weight oil he is referring to !!!! And i wonder why Alisyn is the only company that makes a less than zero weight oil. Redline makes a 2 weight oil thats kinda close to it in comparison. Rickey Gadson used some of the Redline 2 weight oil in his 2008 Kawasaki ZX14 when testing it when they first came out and it made good horsepower too with less than a 100 miles on it....
wreck,
when you say "0: wt oil are you refering to 0W20 or somesuch oil????
BTW: I will be at Andy's on fri doing a couple a tests, one of which you may be interested in 
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posted June 16, 2009 02:44 PM
As anal as Karl is,
me thinks he would be one hella beer tasting judge........
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posted June 17, 2009 07:22 AM
Less than <0 weight oil is alot thinner and lighter than 0W-20 weight...0W-20 is essentially a 20 straight grade race oil !!! What kinda testing are you suppose to be doing over at Andy's ?
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posted June 17, 2009 11:28 PM
wreck,
this oil viscosity vs hp thing never seems to go away, eh?
for sure viscosity has got to be matched to motor set up (bearing clearances, operating oil temp, etc) if you want longevity, but what if a short engine life is OK for yr purpose?
My primary reason for dyno on fri is throttle bodies, but after that I might drain my Motul 15W50 and do a back-to-back test of AMSOIL 5w20.
why the oil viscosity test when ZRXDean already did a test way back when of that Alisyn <0 and got no hp gain?
Just cause I wanna see for myself what (if anything) all the light oil hoo-ha is about.
I'm gonna tear down the motor on Sat to build a fresh Loring motor so this is a good time to satisfy my curiosity.
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posted June 18, 2009 04:21 AM
Karl, are you going to measure the oil temps, to make sure they are comparable during the pulls?
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posted June 18, 2009 06:18 AM
I think he plans on blistering both oils, No doubt he'll have it a operating temp., lol!!!
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posted June 18, 2009 06:26 AM
Karl, what 5w20 will you be using? The AMSOIL Dominator is thier highest hp oil, not by much, but it is........
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posted June 18, 2009 08:39 AM
Throttle body modififcation....Wow....Can you let us in on what was done to the throttle bodies (i.e.-bored, polished, secondary's removed, etc....) ???
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posted June 18, 2009 10:22 AM
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Karl, what 5w20 will you be using? The AMSOIL Dominator is thier highest hp oil, not by much, but it is........
NOX, NOX, NOX...
I'm shocked, that you would think for even a second that I would try a light viscosity test on any other oil than AMSOIL Dominator.
It IS what you recommended, isn't it???
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posted June 18, 2009 10:27 AM
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Throttle body modififcation....Wow....Can you let us in on what was done to the throttle bodies (i.e.-bored, polished, secondary's removed, etc....) ???
wreck,
this is not an exotic TB test. I normally run OS tapered throat TB's (48mm blades), but Gary loaned me his straight throat 48's for a test.
I sure do like tests.
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posted June 18, 2009 11:44 AM
Secret modification: Backward TPS and loose bolts.........lol
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posted June 18, 2009 02:40 PM
Karl, you should also, try a sample of Abita, Turbo Dog,, while you are doing it, it may help in the testing........, the oil should be around 120 degrees, the abita, should be at 32.5 degrees....., no warmer than 34 degrees.......
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posted June 18, 2009 03:36 PM
Who does the boring and tapering of the throttle bodies ? And what does this modification do as for performance ?
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posted June 19, 2009 12:17 AM
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Who does the boring and tapering of the throttle bodies ? And what does this modification do as for performance ?
48's give me about 5 hp, i dunno who does it besides BEAR Racing in Johannesburg, someone surely does in USA.
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posted June 19, 2009 08:48 AM
Lets call on Doug Meyer and or JIm and Tim to find out who does this type of modification to the throttle bodies ???
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posted June 19, 2009 11:54 AM
There are not very many people who want to bother with the 12 anymore, so it maybe a little hard to find someone. It may also be rather expensive for the relative HP gain, especially on a stock or street application. Orient Express did mine about 5 years ago.......................says so on the blades, lol.
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posted June 19, 2009 03:09 PM
theres a guy in Ontario that can bore TBs, hes working on some for the 14 now
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posted June 19, 2009 04:23 PM
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Lets call on Doug Meyer and or JIm and Tim to find out who does this type of modification to the throttle bodies ???
like gary says, modest gain on big motor, i suspect no gain on lil motor.
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posted June 19, 2009 04:42 PM
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Who does the boring and tapering of the throttle bodies ? And what does this modification do as for performance ?
48's give me about 5 hp, i dunno who does it besides BEAR Racing in Johannesburg, someone surely does in USA. [/quote
Superbike Mike did offer them at one point......
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posted June 23, 2009 01:45 PM
Afternoon gents, I don't own a bike( just layin that out there), but I was looking through the 1st round of google results and came across this site referencing the Alisyn >>>0W oil. I just thought I'd share that I use a mix of 0W-20 and >>>0w in my (don't laugh) Mitsubishi Evo IX. For my ride I gain about 15 hp and a quicker spool up on my turbo, which equals area under the curve. I only have about 425 hp at the wheels. I track the car occasionally at PBIR on the road course with the same oil and no ill effects. My ride also has about 40,000 miles on it with Alisyn. FYI I don't work for Alisyn, again, just thought I'd share my success.
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posted June 23, 2009 03:34 PM
Thanks for the info.........,
what did it do to your oil pressure, if anything?
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posted June 23, 2009 05:32 PM
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Thanks for the info.........,
what did it do to your oil pressure, if anything?
Yeah, it dropped it a little, maybe 5 psi, from my original reading. It dropped a hair more after a good 10-20 min session. I expected that. Scott Stuckenberg, which is who I talk with over there, said I may even get the oil light. That hasn't happened. He also commented about the flow of oil being greater when the oils is as thin as they run it. I used to worry about every little thing initially, but its been running so well, for so long, I don't think about it anymore. I just can't figure out why more people aren't running it. Take care guys.
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posted June 23, 2009 06:10 PM
Curious what you see for oil pressure at idle and what is the max set at?
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