14nooby
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posted June 08, 2009 11:29 AM
0wt Oil and NOS
Is anybody running 0wt oil with a light shot of NOS. I like the 0wt oil but don't know if its a good idea while spraying. Thoughts?
  
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posted June 08, 2009 01:35 PM
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KZScott
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posted June 08, 2009 01:38 PM
i ran 5w20 RP Racing 11 with a med sized shot (75-90), but wouldnt run 0w on just motor let alone spray
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posted June 08, 2009 06:00 PM
Maybe a big money race or grudge match, but I don't think its worth it. I bet there are other things you can do to your bike to coax some more HP or MPH safer.
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dougmeyer
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posted June 08, 2009 06:46 PM
Drag race only, take it apart OFTEN, expect to replace parts, don't be surprised at the occasional failure. You've got a factory deal, right?
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NOX
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posted June 08, 2009 09:18 PM
Brock swears by that 0w allyson........
I run 5w20 Amsoil Dominator........, Ran what scott runs for a long time....., but, after seeing more tests, I did not like it as much, and the amsoil has quite a bit more pressure at idle on a hot motor, weight for weight........
But, I do not hot lap my motor, and if I have to, even for the 10 to 15 min between a semi and final, (which is about the only time it would happen), I put one fan on the head, one on the radiator, one on the oil pan, and the other on the clutch......., and I hold over 5 qts of oil...., which makes a big difference on how hot it gets......, takes a while to get my oil pan warm actually.......
I saw quite a bit of gain from 10w40 to 5w20 RP. I am sure there is more at 0w, but dang, I would go nuts thinking about it every time it hit the shift light...........
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SteddyTeddy
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posted June 09, 2009 06:09 AM
Brock gained damn near 10HP on a recent ZRX he dynoed with his 0w oil and additive.
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posted June 09, 2009 07:31 AM
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Brock gained damn near 10HP on a recent ZRX he dynoed with his 0w oil and additive.
Holy cow Batman!
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NINJA12
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posted June 09, 2009 08:05 AM
What did that ZRX have before the oil change?
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Shane661
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posted June 09, 2009 08:09 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Jun 2009 16:15
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What did that ZRX have before the oil change?
90 wt. gear grease.
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SteddyTeddy
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posted June 09, 2009 08:14 AM
lol Not sure. Bike came into his shop and base lined at 134hp. He added his new exhaust and gained about 7HP. He then added the oil and additive and broke 150HP. Last he threw in some MR11 and ended up with 154.13hp.
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14nooby
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posted June 09, 2009 08:21 AM
I believe it. The 0 weight oil really frees up the engine. Hell, If you read the bottle it improves car fuel mileage by 2%. I know bikes turn more rpms but I just keep the oil fresh. I change it every 20 or 30 passes. My 600ss bike ran strong for 2 years with it and my buddy has an 03 600 and has 20K miles with nothing but 0W oil.
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Shane661
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posted June 09, 2009 08:28 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Jun 2009 16:30
I guess I'll be looking at 12 hp with my next ZX-14 oil change. Sweet! 
But seriously, no way are you getting 7% more power from an oil change. There had to be some other factors.
If not, I'm buying a case of 0wt! 
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posted June 09, 2009 09:00 AM
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I guess I'll be looking at 12 hp with my next ZX-14 oil change. Sweet!
But seriously, no way are you getting 7% more power from an oil change. There had to be some other factors.
If not, I'm buying a case of 0wt!
Teddy speaks the truth! We saw the charts and step by step changes. You ALL know how meticulous Brock is in his testing. The information on exactly what oil he used and the additive "WITH THE OIL" (So it was not 0 weight alone) is all on the ZRXOA Web site under "Finally a new exhaust for the ZRX"
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SteddyTeddy
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posted June 09, 2009 10:17 AM
I don't think they want to read through 20+ Pages. LOL
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14nooby
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posted June 09, 2009 10:32 AM
Shane,
I know you will try it now. Looking at your build thread it looks like you will try anything to go fast. Hell, you might be surprised at the results.
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tcchin
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posted June 09, 2009 11:00 AM
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Brock swears by that 0w allyson........
Unless I'm reading his website incorrectly or out of context, that statement is only partially true.
http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/brockracing/-strse-1396/Alisyn-dsh-Pro-Drive-21-Synthetic/Detail
Alisyn-Pro Drive 21 Synthetic Lubricants
SKU: Alisyn-Pro Drive 21
Choose your desired Oil Weight and product number:
We recommend the following-
0W-20:PN7091-stock engine/hot climate
10W-30:PN7011-normally aspirated-1397cc.
15W-40:PN8000-nitrous, turbos, strokers
20W-50:PN7071-turbo, strokers
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Shane661
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posted June 09, 2009 11:45 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Jun 2009 19:49
If I was certain I could gain hp with my oil, without sacrificing reliability, I would. Right now I just use the Honda branded 10/40 in my 14. I've got Rotella-T in Racheal's GSXR.
I'm fairly conservative and haven't found any studies about the <<0w stuff. I do change my oil every 100 miles or less, typically. But my 100 miles might include 40 passes at the dragstrip and a few passes at the mile. Sometimes I stretch it to 200 miles if I sneak in a street ride.
Maybe I will do some experimentation, but straight 0w seems risky to me...
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Shane661
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posted June 09, 2009 11:58 AM
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I don't think they want to read through 20+ Pages. LOL
I can deal with that.  The big issue for me is that we have no long-term test, or oil analysis and bearing inspection. Until it fails, we won't know there is a problem.
I've got an open mind on this stuff...would like to avoid an open crankcase, though.
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tcchin
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posted June 09, 2009 12:40 PM
Edited By: tcchin on 9 Jun 2009 20:41
There should be plenty of charts available for journal bearing design that are based on experimental data. My McGraw-Hill Mechanical Engineering Design text book (isbn 0072921935) from 20 years ago had a bunch of them and, from what I was taught, as long as your film thickness and thermal gradients were in line with your oil viscosity, radial clearance and bearing width, you were good to go. No need to reinvent the wheel and do a bunch of testing if the testing has already been done and documented for us.
http://books.google.com/books?id=1l1-mW27G5wC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=journal+bearing+design+charts&source=bl&ots=yq7NLsGT2N&sig=RCrenncWLVWKXX3gNBRT8ZhY2Fw&hl=en&ei=tMQuSs_bGJritAO-jcXXCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
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Shane661
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posted June 09, 2009 12:52 PM
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There should be plenty of charts available for journal bearing design that are based on experimental data. My McGraw-Hill Mechanical Engineering Design text book (isbn 0072921935) from 20 years ago had a bunch of them and, from what I was taught, as long as your film thickness and thermal gradients were in line with your oil viscosity, radial clearance and bearing width, you were good to go. No need to reinvent the wheel and do a bunch of testing if the testing has already been done and documented for us.
http://books.google.com/books?id=1l1-mW27G5wC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=journal+bearing+design+charts&source=bl&ots=yq7NLsGT2N&sig=RCrenncWLVWKXX3gNBRT8ZhY2Fw&hl=en&ei=tMQuSs_bGJritAO-jcXXCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1
Interesting! That book preview is very extensive. Very complex subject matter, it would seem (bearing design).
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Shane661
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posted June 09, 2009 05:58 PM
I just went through the 22 pages on ZRXOA and I can't find the additive info, or dyno explanation. I'm guessing it is the petron plus additive he sells??
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posted June 09, 2009 06:01 PM
I tried Brocks 0wt oil and did pick up some ET and MPH but the motor sounded like it was coming apart ..I didn't feel good about it so i went back to 10w30 ..A few 100th of a second is not worth it to me ....Most of the extra HP comes from the oil pump not working so hard , some comes from the trans not swimming in thicker oil and a very small part comes from less work for the rings wiping down the walls..
Pro stock cars use it to get the top spot on the ladder and then for the race they go back to a heavier oil .. This works for them because a 100th of a second in a 16 car field could make the difference in getting in the program or going home ..
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Shane661
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posted June 09, 2009 06:08 PM
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I tried Brocks 0wt oil and did pick up some ET and MPH but the motor sounded like it was coming apart ..I didn't feel good about it so i went back to 10w30 ..A few 100th of a second is not worth it to me ....Most of the extra HP comes from the oil pump not working so hard , some comes from the trans not swimming in thicker oil and a very small part comes from less work for the rings wiping down the walls..
Pro stock cars use it to get the top spot on the ladder and then for the race they go back to a heavier oil .. This works for them because a 100th of a second in a 16 car field could make the difference in getting in the program or going home ..
Sounds like something I will probably avoid. I am more concerned about protecting the engine than a couple of hundredths. Of course, when people start claiming 10+ hp on an oil change, you take notice....
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KZScott
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posted June 09, 2009 07:00 PM
special snake additive worth 10 hp :P
I could see 10hp on something like straight 60(blown alkys use that) to 0, but not 10w40 to 0. ill stick with 5w20 RP( i have some left over anyway )
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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