KZScott
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posted February 28, 2009 08:46 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 1 Mar 2009 05:21
ping redrocket
good talking to ya again  . pm is still down, so check this out when you get a min
(click) kegger mod
Megasquirt efi controller
my truck im fixing up
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted March 01, 2009 04:32 AM
That's 3 projects you got going! 
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I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me.
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KZScott
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posted March 01, 2009 02:11 PM
4 if you count the 77 kz650 i have sitting on the back burner.....(summer project if i have the time) dads bike is just about ready to be bolted together however, and my 12 just needs minimal work. ill be back to work pretty soon and will get the head off to Jim then its just putting it back together.
hoping to have the truck ok and driveable by next week. the motor work will be next winter. redrocket has me talked into a 4in crank. looking for big torque to turn those big ass tires 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted March 02, 2009 08:38 PM
those are big tires. that guy actually picked up .9 in the 1/4 with the 4" crank. says there is 300$ cast cranks out there and the KB pistons. all we saw except the 300$ crank. you could do that at home. ridge ream, hone, clean the block well. inatall crank, make sure when torqued it rolls nice, look for .006 endplay. get new KB pistone installed on stock rods and new bolts and big ends checked for out of round (a must )and debured. you could do it for under 800 i bet. then deal with the fueling. i will look at the megasquirt.
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2000redrocket
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posted March 02, 2009 08:54 PM
the mega setup sounds like my ecu with speed density or A-N tuneing. i wonder if it mixes them like our ecus or if this is one or the other. sounds neat.
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zx12dak
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posted March 16, 2009 07:09 PM
03-14-09 1st drive with the 408! Needs tuning badly!
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2000redrocket
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posted March 16, 2009 07:24 PM
put a holley on it and it will work great. would be nice for injection to work well but the money and time involved to me anyway says go carb, get ig curve set up and it will be done.
there is a lot of stuff in setting one up that not done it will still work but not as well.
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KZScott
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posted March 16, 2009 08:36 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 17 Mar 2009 04:50
zx12dak. your screen name finally makes sense!
nice setup! are you thinking about trying MS? you can have the stock computer flashed for your combo too for something a lot closer than the stock fuel map. keep the EFI imo.
Ive been talking to a few guys with strokers, superchargers, and turbos. instead on building a motor next fall/winter for my truck i think im going to try a turbo on the stock 318. one guy with a 408 with the works told me if he knew then what he knows now, he would have went turbo. im thinking a low boost setup initially, 6psi then try 8 with water meth injection if 6 goes well. any higher and i would want to start putting the shiny forged stuff in there.
for now however, its just going to be put together so i can get back to work on the bikes. im just about done the paint (rattle cans lol for the amount of mud and rocks these tires will throw, a professional paint job would be ruined the first fun drive in the woods) going to add the MS on the stock motor this summer to get the fuel map sorted out, then take over ignition. you can also take over trans control. paddle shifters are possible lol. having everything setup for a NA motor will make it much easier to tune the turbo, and learning how it works is a lot more forgiving with a stock NA motor. not knowing what you are doing with the fuel and ignition maps is the recipie for a melt down
getting there...going all black with a blue stripe pattern at the back similar to the dodge rumble bee. it at least sounds mean with the duals lol, but it still doesnt even have headers 
yeah i know i need to get batteries for the camera...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted March 16, 2009 08:48 PM
quote:
the mega setup sounds like my ecu with speed density or A-N tuneing. i wonder if it mixes them like our ecus or if this is one or the other. sounds neat.
im quite sure you just choose one or the other based on what type of motor you are running. quote: For turbocharged engine, you must use the speed density control algorithm only. Turbocharged engines do not have a linear relationship between throttle position, rpm, and fuel requirements, and thus cannot use alpha-N
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted March 17, 2009 02:12 AM
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put a holley on it and it will work great. would be nice for injection to work well but the money and time involved to me anyway says go carb, get ig curve set up and it will be done.
there is a lot of stuff in setting one up that not done it will still work but not as well.
Yea, I know that is the easy way. But I want drivability too. As you guys can see it still has air cond and ever cruise control(works still! tried it!)
Engine is a 10.25 to 1 Magnum 408 with Edelbrock Magnum heads with a (medium) port job by Indy Cyl Head, M1 intake drilled for injectors, Comp cams 236/242-555/575 on a112. It has Ross pistons, Eagle rods, Mopar/Scat crank Crower hyd roller lifters and the rest of the valve train is Crane. Homemade one off throttle body (you can see it) , 36 lb injectors run by a extinct 1993 360 MP computer for a Ram truck. It seems to drive decent but the tune is way off for performance! Didn't really get on it much so far.
I really don't know what to do!!! Mega squirt??? Fast???
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posted March 17, 2009 05:56 AM
i do not think the mega comes with any maps at all. it may not be like modd a sort of working map. i think it will be you just punching numbers in from 0 and everything from scratch. you can get a holley to run like fuel injection if you get one not too big for your combo and check driving vacume to not guess on the power valve size. but to each his own save a lot of money and time with a holley.
zx12dak cam in at 112 wow top end. at least you degreeded it. many do not and find out someone at the cam or cam chain company did not do thier job and it runs like poop. then they degree it to find out it was way off recommended install. some were so far out you had to get a nother slot cut in the bottom gear to get closer.
anyay whichever way you go good luck.
friends indy head 340 with 4" crank rund mid 10s @ 3300lbs. these combos work. he drove it to work a couple of times 27mi each way.
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KZScott
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posted March 17, 2009 10:13 AM
no it doesnt come with any maps, you have to make the whole thing, but if you go to the ms forum and find someone with a similar setup you can use their map as a base map as far as i know. there are calculations you use to get a basic setup from scratch tho. one of the things that i read was its best to be able to go back to the stock map if you have to. start with just the fuel, once you get that do ign. basically start it on the stock computer get it up to temp, then fire it up with your initial base MS map. get it to run well there, then work at warm up enrichments, stepper motor ect for cold starts, then work on light loads driving at slow speeds, and just work your way thru the map trying to get your target AFR. one of the interesting things was you can tune it to run very lean at light loads, but if you step on it, it will richen up. so if you baby it, you can get better gas mileage, but when you drive hard, it will be in performance mode. if its a daily driver, use the stock computer to get to work, then tune on the way home with MS. put your lap top on the passenger seat, and tune away. no data logger required, just a wideband O2 sensor.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted March 17, 2009 07:06 PM
I drove her some more tonight. At 40 lb fuel pressure it will foul plugs its so rich. At 30 lb it drives pretty normal but smells rich still. I need a wideband!
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posted March 18, 2009 07:15 PM
at least a gauge! get the Innovate LC-1!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted March 19, 2009 12:27 AM
i like my wego3
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zx12dak
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posted March 19, 2009 06:43 AM
I am looking at the Innovate stuff. Might get the portable so I can use it on the bike too!
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posted March 22, 2009 08:58 AM
I put the 24 lb injectors back in and it runs MUCH better! Weird! I went to Lane automotive yesterday to buy a wide band and they were on back order from Innovative. I will prob have to get one online.
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