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posted December 28, 2008 04:45 PM
the clutch dr was right
check out these steels. one full season of drag racing with a lock up
looks like junk right? nope! perfectly flat!
VERY strange colour/pattern, but Nox has said colour means nothing as long as they arent warped. they slid off the hub just like new ones. as we all know thick plates are less likey to be hurt by slipping the clutch, and this pack prooves it. i had 2 steels together acting as one thick steel to bring the stack height to where it should be. i dont need to point out which ones :P
I had made a few passes after taking too much spring pressure out (and addingballast)and it was slipping too much in the first 15 feet or so. I think this was when i coloured my steels  they are going back in for next season 
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posted December 28, 2008 05:06 PM
Scott-are you also using the 2 spring steels as in the stock clutch setup? Plates look fine to use again-no worries about the colour, just if they are warped!
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posted December 28, 2008 05:13 PM
How many passes?
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posted December 28, 2008 05:37 PM
yup as per drs orders the anti chatter rings are in place
number of passes total? or number of " i know its slipping way too much" passes?
maybe 150 and 4-5 respectively. fyi mid season the steels looked normal.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 28, 2008 08:35 PM
So KZ Scott my steels have about 100 so pass on them i pull them out and they look like yours you saying that the steels are good if they not warped i have the 1.8 steels so what is your stack height i'm new to the game i also have the mtc lock up
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posted December 28, 2008 08:56 PM
as long as they are flat you are fine. not sure where you got 1.8s tho 1.6=stock, 2.0= muzzy
stack height. a bit higher than normal in order to make the clearance for the lock up arms to be correct.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 28, 2008 08:59 PM
sorry about that it is the 2.0
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posted December 28, 2008 09:10 PM
mine are the 2.0s and i had a 1.6 in there too beside a 2.0 acting as a 3.6.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 28, 2008 09:23 PM
tee hee, mine are more purple, kinda matches my bike.......lol
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posted December 28, 2008 09:51 PM
the "rainbow" patteren is kinda wierd i wonder if its from sitting for a long time?
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted December 28, 2008 11:23 PM
The rainbow pattern is from thermal gradients. That color should Scotchbrite off pretty easily. You should probably do some kind of surface cleaning to remove any baked-on oil residue or friction materials that could affect engagement performance.
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posted December 29, 2008 12:00 AM
Yes, Yes !!! ---- NOX ------- the clutch doctor !!!!!!
my clutch plates ---- the same nice color !!!!
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posted December 29, 2008 07:03 AM
Same here Scott, mine look like that too....I use a scotch brite type pad on a die grinder (low speed) and the colors come right off ....Been useing mine for several years with just cleaning them up, oil them and puttum back in....And I street ride mine alot too....
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posted December 29, 2008 09:17 AM
ill give them a cleaning before i pop them back in  just wanted to show that colour means nothing as long as they are flat. i know some guys would have thrown that set of steels out thinking they were ruined
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 29, 2008 12:39 PM
I dont even do anything to mine, except clean them real good with solvent, or wipe them down good. I want them smooth, no scratches from any paper, or scotchbrite, etc. that eats fibers.........., lock ups work off of pressure, not friction. With enough pressure, two pieces polished metal will lock up enough to drive a 500 lb bike down the track.
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posted December 29, 2008 03:58 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 30 Dec 2008 00:02
hmmmm maybe ill just clean them and leave the pretty colours then lol
Nox, you ever see a steel "bubble" outwards in the same place on both sides of the steel? (making it a lot thicker in one spot) guy with a short R1 had this happen on his whole pack all the way thru in the same place. he was slipping by hand and eats up a lot of clutches
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 29, 2008 05:15 PM
No, but I know some of those R1 guys are really hard on clutch parts.............
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posted December 29, 2008 08:09 PM
that's because their bikes are TURDS and they have to ride them like a 600 lol. I guess that's why the R1 was voted best 600 of 2008 :P
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posted December 29, 2008 08:37 PM
hahaha reminds me of a quote, not sure where i heard it..." R1, the ultimate poser bike"
they just werent ment for the 1/4. especially stock length ones with tall gearing. thats hard on any clutch, especially if you lack low rpm grunt...rev it 10000 rpm, slip the clutch and run a 10.... 5 passes later "my clutch is acting up"
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 29, 2008 10:23 PM
I have ridden them. Good street bikes..., far from what I would want to start a drag project with though.........
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posted December 30, 2008 05:47 PM
i learned sumthin.
all this time, i've been using "old" plates that look like that as homemade clutch tools.. stack 2 or 3 up, tack them together, weld a handle to them.. voila. clutch basket tool.
now, i now better.
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posted December 30, 2008 06:03 PM
now just used the warped ones
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 30, 2008 10:44 PM
quote:
i learned sumthin.
all this time, i've been using "old" plates that look like that as homemade clutch tools.. stack 2 or 3 up, tack them together, weld a handle to them.. voila. clutch basket tool.
now, i now better.
Interesting.........
there is another way to remove the hub......., you have to remove the nut with all the plates still in...., if you do, you can hold it with your bare hand..............
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posted December 31, 2008 06:18 PM
i'm assuming that the surface tension of the oil binds the assembly then? very slick. (no pun..) sounds alot more easy than having to make specialty tools!
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posted December 31, 2008 11:56 PM
its called an impact . but i would still use the tool to torque the nut back on properly
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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