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posted December 30, 2008 02:10 PM
Mr "dont be scared" used to run quite well at 60 in.
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posted December 30, 2008 04:15 PM
Very few people that still DragRace a Stock wheelbase 12, it's too much of a challenge fighting the wheelies and 1.60s 60'...
I am one of the few DragRacing a 12 @ 61 inches!!!...WITHOUT all those trick go fast and super low goodies...
12s are great for certain index classes or bracket racing!!!
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KZScott
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posted December 30, 2008 04:27 PM
stock wb is about 57-58 inches.....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 30, 2008 04:44 PM
also depends on whether or not a good clutch tune is in it, to make it keep that front end down..................
a lock up will be more consistent than the left hand of anyone here........., but, on a short wb bike, it can be tricky at best if the wrong tune is in it.............
woppi is like 60" wb I believe............
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posted December 30, 2008 07:36 PM
i'm at 61" as well. i was running 9.9-10.1 first season ever racing, what kind of times are you guys getting?
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posted December 30, 2008 08:55 PM
Woppi runs 8s on a 60 shot i think. i thought he was around 62 inches?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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NOX
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posted December 30, 2008 10:42 PM
I ran low 9s with no pc, at 64 inches, at the Nopi Nationals, in 105 degree august heat, in memphis a few years back.........
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Mikkel
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posted January 02, 2009 03:07 PM
Nox do you think i should try a lock up with swb? I can get a MTC two stage at a reasonable price.
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NOX
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posted January 02, 2009 04:05 PM
It is doable........
I would go with a multi at short wb. But, with some of my special tricks, and some machining, a two stage can work very well.........
I tossed the clutch at 64 inches with a two stage muzzy. Even back when I did not know all that I know now........ It had some of my father in laws special machining, like he used to do for some of the pro stock car clutches.....
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posted January 02, 2009 05:12 PM
Ok Nox i will get back to you if i decide to get a lock up. What do you charge for helping with the set-up?
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posted January 02, 2009 09:51 PM
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Who is dragracing a SWB ZX12 and what are the fastest 1/8 mile and 60 ft times around? Is a lock up clutch and SWB a good combination? My clutch is stock and has been working fine since i modified it for better lubrication like the kit from Muzzy, i am careful about checking stack height. For rear tire i am using road racing take offs like Pirelli Supercorsa Pro. I have 2" lowering blocks in the fork (straps are not allowed here in Denmark and Sweden where i race) and Adams adjustable lowering links. Have you checked out this guy from Sweden, he is going 5,57/133 mph in the 1/8 mile on his 1427 ZX12 60 inch wheelbase foot shifting no lock up: http://flynordicracing.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html
Like you I have a stock wheelbase zx12. My 60 fts used to be 1.8s and I'd run 6.7s. They dropped to 6.5s and about the same 60fts as you run now, 1.7s. I started going some 1.6s and they dropped down even more. I also have the full muzzys clutch as well as the internally lowered front forks (I think 2 or 2.25 inches). I run the same tire you do too. This pass was done without nitrous oxide, motor had stiffer valve springs. I think my gearing was 17/46 or 16/44, the latter giving you a bit more wheelbase:
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posted January 03, 2009 01:01 AM
Shipteey, good to know it´s possible to do what i have in mind. Is it you in the right or left lane? Was your engine stock besides the stiffer valvesprings? Did you have a sidewinder and a cut oilpan? Have you shaved weight off the bike? Do you have an airshifter/quickshifter? What do you weigh? I have my engine out because it's getting the 1270 kit and i will put in stiffer valvesprings if it helps performance, do you have them because your rev limiter is extended? Have you dragraced it swb using nitrous?
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posted January 03, 2009 02:04 AM
He forgot to tell that his 12 is about 475lbs. wet and that he weighs 120lbs 
Mikkel, if your going to put all that $$$ into your 12, then do it and make it long...You will make life alot easier for yourself when DragRacing the 12...
By the way the fastest I have been on my 61inch 12 without any fancy mods, just a pipe, gearing, mr9, Billet Basket, no PC, foot shifting, Pirelli SuperCorsa sc2, bike weighs 510 wet with 1 1/2 gallons of gas, and i weigh 170 plus racing gear is 9.11 @ 154 in 55 degree weather...
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posted January 03, 2009 04:57 AM
send me a pm, and I will get back with you.
About to head to the race track, my daughter has a race today.
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posted January 03, 2009 03:27 PM
Shipteey, good to know it´s possible to do what i have in mind. Is it you in the right or left lane?
----Right.
Was your engine stock besides the stiffer valvesprings?
----Yes, however transmission was beefed up/undercut and don't forget the Muzzys Clutch.
Did you have a sidewinder and a cut oilpan?
----No, forks were lowered in the front internally, strapped with the rear lowering link middle hole.
Have you shaved weight off the bike?
----Considerably including single front brakes up front, race front upper cowl, carbon fiber solo tail, fiberglass step seat, carbon fiber wheels, lighter rear rotor, full muzzys titanium exhaust.
Do you have an airshifter/quickshifter?
----I do now but that run was footshifted.
What do you weigh?
----About 120s on a fat day.
I have my engine out because it's getting the 1270 kit and i will put in stiffer valvesprings if it helps performance, do you have them because your rev limiter is extended?
----Stiffer valve spring are in it because I have the extended revs in the ecu. I don't shift too late in the revs because the bike falls too much past peak power for my liking, however it is good insurance, especially on nitrous. Its nice to have though when you're going head to head against someone and don't want to slow down with that last second upshift before the traps (depends on how you gear your bike too!)
Have you dragraced it swb using nitrous?
----Yes, but that was before that pass, haven't run since I don't think. Earlier that year I had a 1.69 60 ft and went 9.46 @ 155 mph. Trapped about 123 mph at the 1/8th mile, 30-40 shot dry.
Lightening up the bike is nice, but if you are sticking with the drag strip runs, I'd leave the headlight in (ballast) as well as the complete front brakes. Carbon wheels are nice but they make the front lighter too. I think if I go back again with some practice runs I can go 9.2s to 9.3s lowered another inch, especially because I have an air shifter now and a progressive nitrous kit which allows the power to come on earlier, smoother, and less wheelie prone. 8.99 on a stock wb would be awesome...especially on an essentially stock motor...working on it...
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posted January 03, 2009 04:37 PM
Thanks for your help Shiphteey i appreciate that. Interesting to see your timeslips for comparison.
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posted January 03, 2009 08:40 PM
do you need to keep your headlights? if not go with a race upper and relocate the battery up to the front. ballast without adding weight to the bike
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 03, 2009 09:01 PM
Edited By: Ares on 4 Jan 2009 05:04
heres a link to what KZScott mentioned
http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/
1/4 Mile 8.85 ET @ 161.57 MPH, 1/8 Mile 5.81 ET @ 128 MPH
just copy and paste the link. it wont "click"
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posted January 03, 2009 09:07 PM
assist:
http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/
he was running a Lees built 1287 IIRC with a big dry shot. but short wb
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 04, 2009 12:48 AM
The battery relocation would be great, i will consider that since i don´t need the lights. Is the 8,85 run 60" wheelbase?
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posted January 04, 2009 01:02 AM
pretty sure it was 60 or 62. Bergie doesnt hang out on the board anymore, but if you go back to the first of the forum theres some good stuff posted by him. it was foot shifted too. great driver with a great motor/nitrous setup
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted January 04, 2009 07:00 AM
Bergie's 12 was @ 60" during his MiRock PSB racing...
He helped me out alot back then...
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posted January 04, 2009 07:25 AM
So who's gone 8.99 or better on a stock arm?
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posted January 04, 2009 08:00 AM
I believe Bergie's bike was not a stock stroke either. Regardless a good runner!
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posted January 04, 2009 09:11 AM
Edited By: Phantom13 on 4 Jan 2009 17:13
It was a 1361cc stroker....
..... But Shhhhhh! Nobody is suppose to know that since he ran it in the 1350cc class at Maxton to get into the 200mph club. Ever since the cat was let out of the bag, he stopped hanging around the forums.
Last time I seen him was in October 07 at Maxton when he blew it up on the juice. Perhaps he's out of the game now?
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