Mikkel
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posted December 28, 2008 10:52 AM
SWB ZX12R setup
I dragrace my ZX12R with stock wheelbase and so far my best time is 6,52 in the 1/8 mile at 119,4 mph with 1,72 60 ft time. The bike is lowered front and rear, pc3r, Akrapovic, stock engine. Next season i am racing in a different class with an index of 6,2 (nitrous not allowed) and even though it is allowed to stretch the bike i would still prefer to run stock wheelbase, i think it is more fun that way! I have pulled the engine out and it is getting a 1270 kit from Muzzy. I will add a quickshifter too and maybe a sidewinder and a cut oilpan to get it as low as possible. Do you guys think it is possible to run 6,2 with this setup? I weigh around 180 suited. I also need some advice about the rear suspension setup, are any of you using a strut?
  
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KZScott
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posted December 28, 2008 02:46 PM
dont use a strut unless you use a flat slick and bars. try a 3 inch arm about 60 in WB it will do you wonders. more than the 1270 kit
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SteddyTeddy
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posted December 28, 2008 03:24 PM
Seat time, seat time, seat time.
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ninja12
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posted December 28, 2008 03:37 PM
I agree with Scott and Teddy.
The arm will help more than engine work in the 1/8 (i like 6 " over), and seat time makes any combo work better. You will be more consistant with a combo that's easy to ride.
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Mikkel
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posted December 28, 2008 03:58 PM
Thanks for the advice, i guess i will go with a longer arm to lower the 60 ft. and help consistency.
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KZScott
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posted December 28, 2008 04:25 PM
Nox has run I think high 5.7s in the 1/8 with a 68in WB 12. stock internals. NA. the best damn chassis and lock up clutch tune for miles....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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almost_les
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posted December 28, 2008 06:31 PM
 Edited By: almost_les on 29 Dec 2008 02:33
kz is right about the strut. you wanna get that bike to squat and stay low. if its too stiff it will send too much load to the tire all at once and break it loose. low preload and lots of rebound damping will be your best friend, and maybe a bit of ballast up front. you might even want to look at getting a lockup to get launch control down.
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Mikkel
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posted December 29, 2008 09:14 AM
There is not much rebound damping in the stock rear shock, i guess i will need a shorter dragrace shock and a straight link. A lockup might be a good idea too, it would help consistency. Maybe i should contact Nox.
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KZScott
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posted December 29, 2008 09:54 AM
talk to Coby Adams about getting your shock revalved/shortened. much cheaper than a drag shock. Im sending my shock to him. but ill be 68in wb next yr. you may be fine at 60 with a stock shock
Nox knows his shit
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 29, 2008 12:34 PM
Just has to be set up for the bike........., everyone's set up is different, just have to know what direction you need to go, and the true limits of the lock ups, and the tiny things that MTC says will never work.......lol
Woppi is running short wb, and he made his fastest passes with me helping him out just a little.......
I wish we could talk on the phone, but it would cost him a ton since he is in austria....., then I could help him tune it even better, but it is working very well for him.......
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KZScott
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posted December 29, 2008 03:18 PM
if you have high speed and msn and a couple mics you cant talk long distance for free
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 29, 2008 03:23 PM
Yeah, but I dont.....
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posted December 29, 2008 03:55 PM
me either right now  but it was one of the things i learned in university lol
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 29, 2008 08:46 PM
What year is your 12 and what clutch set up do you have in it now???
What rear tire are you using???
With what you are planning and stock wheelbase with practice you will get the 6.30s 1/8 mile but fighting wheelies and usually a low 1.60s 60 foot...
The 1270 kit will help your 60 foot from the torque, but you'll have to experiment with gearing...Stay with the akrapovic, it's the best pipe for any ZX12 !!!
You dont need a 2inch oil pan or a cut OEM oil pan or the straight link for the stock wheelbase, would be a waste of $$$ compared to what you'll get from the $$$ spent...
Do you have a catalyst composits fiberglass seat for your 12???
For the rear shock you may want to turn the oem shock colar 2 full turns clockwise that will take some squat out and not hit the oem fender...make the rebound on the slow side...
For the index class your going to race, you dont need ANY fancy go fast items and use the lowest octane gas you can get away with without any pinging from your motor with the 1270 kit...If your using the stock motor then use the lowest octane gas available and go to a 60inch wheel base and a little more gearing then you'll be perfect for a 6.20 index!!!
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posted December 29, 2008 10:27 PM
I would get a cut pan, and a sidewinder, and get it low......., a catalyst seat,
index racing is about the tree, I have cut .370s leaving on yellow........, I average .430 or so. No reason you wont be able to do a 6.20 class........,
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posted December 30, 2008 03:13 AM
Stop spending any more money on that bike.It's a waste.Until you get your 60' times down,you'll never know how far you could go.If you can't make the other class then you weren't ready for it.With all those other add ons including the 1270 kit,would make a nice down payment on another bike after you have gotten the most out of the twelve and wore it out.Just keep the fun in your game,enjoy the swb,learn to slide the clutch and don't short change the learning process.
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posted December 30, 2008 03:40 AM
Edited By: woppi on 30 Dec 2008 11:41
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Just has to be set up for the bike........., everyone's set up is different, just have to know what direction you need to go, and the true limits of the lock ups, and the tiny things that MTC says will never work.......lol
Woppi is running short wb, and he made his fastest passes with me helping him out just a little.......
I wish we could talk on the phone, but it would cost him a ton since he is in austria....., then I could help him tune it even better, but it is working very well for him.......
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posted December 30, 2008 06:04 AM
quote:
Stop spending any more money on that bike.It's a waste.Until you get your 60' times down,you'll never know how far you could go.If you can't make the other class then you weren't ready for it.With all those other add ons including the 1270 kit,would make a nice down payment on another bike after you have gotten the most out of the twelve and wore it out.Just keep the fun in your game,enjoy the swb,learn to slide the clutch and don't short change the learning process.
Have to agree. That bike should be capable of 6.2's with more seat time. If not sell it off and get a 14.
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posted December 30, 2008 06:29 AM
Thats why I did not say go with the 1270......
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posted December 30, 2008 09:26 AM
I guess some of you guys forgot what its like to DragRace a STOCK wheel base 12 
Shane661.....Tell us what it's like to DragRace a stock wheelbase 12 and what your 60' and 1/8 mile was!!!
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KZScott
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posted December 30, 2008 09:39 AM
how is a 1270 going to help his 60ft time if hes still stock length? its just going to wheelie easier.... clutch/throttle control is going to help more than torque
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 30, 2008 10:04 AM
He said he's getting a 1270 kit...So I gave him some advise and told him he will be fighting wheelies!!!
He will have to adapt...
He will also have to pay me $$$ via paypal if he wants the secrets to DragRacing a stock wheelbase 12 
Just Bustin Balls NOX !!!
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posted December 30, 2008 10:21 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 30 Dec 2008 18:22
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I guess some of you guys forgot what its like to DragRace a STOCK wheel base 12
Shane661.....Tell us what it's like to DragRace a stock wheelbase 12 and what your 60' and 1/8 mile was!!!
Well, it was a challenge for me. My best 60' times were 1.7's and 6.7 range in the 1/8th if I recall.
I was lowered about 1 1/2", strapped, seat, 17-47 gearing. Plus the standard pipe/pc stuff.
I was close to 260 lbs. suited, also.
Plus I sucked. (still do, but faster bike)
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KZScott
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posted December 30, 2008 10:37 AM
set the chassis up right, practise, and you will drop the et. more power will help on the top end, but getting off the line is the name of the game(as we all know ). you have the right idea about getting a sidewinder, cut pan ect. get it low so it wont wheelie as bad. stretch it as much as you can staying within the class limits. gear it right, proper shock setup. a lock up helps if you can tune it or have someone tune it. or just get better with doing it by hand with practise. oh and practise and then practise more. its fun, why not?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Mikkel
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posted December 30, 2008 01:39 PM
Who is dragracing a SWB ZX12 and what are the fastest 1/8 mile and 60 ft times around? Is a lock up clutch and SWB a good combination? My clutch is stock and has been working fine since i modified it for better lubrication like the kit from Muzzy, i am careful about checking stack height. For rear tire i am using road racing take offs like Pirelli Supercorsa Pro. I have 2" lowering blocks in the fork (straps are not allowed here in Denmark and Sweden where i race) and Adams adjustable lowering links. Have you checked out this guy from Sweden, he is going 5,57/133 mph in the 1/8 mile on his 1427 ZX12 60 inch wheelbase foot shifting no lock up: http://flynordicracing.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html
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