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posted November 09, 2008 10:08 PM
retracted gap spark plugs
any one use them?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
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posted November 10, 2008 12:06 PM
I emailed Ryan Schnitz about them and he suggested I just use CR10EIX. the purpose being extended nitrous use in LSR events. I want to eliminate hot spots. I have been using CR10EK for drag racing, but Garys motor has me second guessing their use for LSR...
comments?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 12:09 PM
Well, I can't comment on the spark plugs...but are you planning on doing an LSR event next year? Which one?
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posted November 10, 2008 12:29 PM
I want to get to Maxton next fall, but it probly wont happen. (Im optimistic though  ) The new track in Maine is looking very promising however and its only a few hrs drive away.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 12:35 PM
Excelent topic!!!!!! are the CR10EIX retracted gap? Or what is the difference? Thanks KZ.
Yeah, that'll be awsome to have you running a little LSR. Very addictive. Fingers crossed for a 2 mile paved venue!!!!
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posted November 10, 2008 12:47 PM
I dont think so Gary, but I couldnt really find a picture of them. I think they may just be iridium coated, and may be single electrode instead of the 2 that we see on "normal" pugs for our bikes.
2 miles... we really need a safe setup for that! maybe a 10 pound bottle too lol. I used 1 pound per run drag racing spraying from second gear on. the plan is to fit a 5 pounder next yr for more spray, and hopefully 2 passes out of a bottle instead of refilling a 2 pounder after every pass. i wonder if 5 pounds will last a 2 mile run?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 01:07 PM
this is a pic of the type of plug that was suggested by LSR guys (retracted gap)
does anyone know what the CR10EIX looks like?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 01:45 PM
Just buy a few sets of the OEM plugs and put a fresh set in before you go to the LSR or mile runs...
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posted November 10, 2008 02:01 PM
stock plugs are even worse than CR10EK. we are trying to eliminate the hot spots so the nitrous doesnt turn into a plasma cutter...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 02:03 PM
found a pic of the CR10EIX
the big electrode kinda rules them out too unless the iridium prevents it from getting hot.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 02:09 PM
I have always heard iridium and spray = bad juju.........................but I am probably wrong.
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posted November 10, 2008 02:28 PM
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posted November 10, 2008 02:30 PM
 Edited By: tcchin on 10 Nov 2008 22:31
Iridium and spray are fine. It's only the platinum plugs with the bonded platinum wafer contacts that pose a problem.
Why not use a surface discharge plug? Sure they're expensive, but so is detonation.
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posted November 10, 2008 02:37 PM
My buddy uses OEM plugs and sprays a 40 dry shot goes 8.60's, NO PROBLEMS...
Only change a set of plugs 2 x's since last season!!!
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posted November 10, 2008 02:40 PM
looking into all options Tim, preferably not too expensive, but yes a set of expensive plugs are cheaper than a new top end...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 02:43 PM
CR ill be trying out at minimum double that much spray, and for an extended amount of time. 1 or 2 miles compared to 1/4
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 02:48 PM
So put a new set in and after throw them away???
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posted November 10, 2008 02:51 PM
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CR ill be trying out at minimum double that much spray, and for an extended amount of time. 1 or 2 miles compared to 1/4
Well Scott, I would suggest being a little more conservative than that, especially with the 3 mill.
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posted November 10, 2008 03:07 PM
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So put a new set in and after throw them away???
its not that they will be ruined by nitrous, its that they get too hot and can cause pre ingnition(or detonation.. one of them) and then your motor is junk...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 03:21 PM
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CR ill be trying out at minimum double that much spray, and for an extended amount of time. 1 or 2 miles compared to 1/4
Well Scott, I would suggest being a little more conservative than that, especially with the 3 mill.
but i have the 80 hp jets in allready lol. changing 8 jets in the air box isnt the most fun or speedy expirience, especially with stainless lines
i could put the 60hp jets back in, but i was thinking trying the 80 and just delaying the nitrous untill 4th gear or so for lsr starting out(leaving the small dry shot turned off). awhile back i talked to a guy running a 3 mill on a 120 shot for lsr. only problems he had were valves....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 03:24 PM
So find out what the nitrous car guys use and use something similar for the bike!!!
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posted November 10, 2008 03:27 PM
thats pretty much the idea of this thread...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 04:14 PM
I would go with the surface discharge plugs like tcchin already posted. Sure they are 50 or 60 bucks a plug but that is a lot better than a new head and set of pistons. 
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posted November 10, 2008 04:48 PM
I may end up going that route Ryan, but I like going over all the options first
does anyone have expirience with Champion G58R and G56R plugs?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 06:24 PM
Anybody have a picture of a surface discharge plug? For $200 I hope they last more than a few runs. Where do you get them fellas for a 12? I was thinking of useing Karl's previous method and just shoot the spark right to the piston!!!!!!
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