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posted November 03, 2008 07:33 PM
Yeah the 12 had a very limited budget.
Base gasket removal was a cheap way to bump compression....tube of Yamabond.
I degreed the stock cams to 105/100 per Muzzy before he later changed to 105/105. Had to buy adj. sprockets.
While the head was off I simply cleaned up the rough castings & matched the intake boots, no cost but a little time.
Bears stacks were donated....what a deal!
Muzzy timing advancer, about $50 back then.
K&N filters, about 75 bucks.
Akropovic SS & carbon pipe, around a grand.
0w/10 fully synthetic oil, 20 buxs.
Slight tailwind......priceless.
Dan
Thanks for the compliment on the 12 Phantom, I still think it's a better looking bike than my 14.
  
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posted November 03, 2008 09:06 PM
0w10 yikes! what brand Dan?
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posted November 04, 2008 05:39 AM
Scott,
It was Maxima Maxum.
The one event I used it me and the boys made 7 or 8 passes each, something like 20+ miles at WOT.
That was over 20,000 miles ago with no ill effects showing up on the old 12.
Best of luck on the surgery, don't get too impatient and listen to the doctors.
Here's hoping a quick recovery for you.
Dan
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THE ICE MAN
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posted November 04, 2008 06:30 AM
O.K. after doing some measuring bottom line is the head can use some work
I am going to to working the whole head.
Here are a few pics of the stock head.
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posted November 04, 2008 07:52 AM
thx Dan
great pics Sal, hopefully you show us some "after" pics 
i was suprised as to how bad the intake boots lined up on my 12 aswell. you would think they could put a bit more quality into the build from the factory seeing how competitive the marketing is for the bike with the most hp. they used to do a clean up on all the factory gpz750s back in the day i believe.
(oh what are you working on in the background? a straight 6 or a v12?)
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posted November 04, 2008 08:48 AM
 Edited By: THE ICE MAN on 4 Nov 2008 16:49
Yes the boots are very badly matched.
The head in the backround is from an import to be specific a SKYLINE
I do the porting on those also for a couple of shops.
Sal.
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posted November 04, 2008 03:07 PM
quote:
Yeah the 12 had a very limited budget.
Base gasket removal was a cheap way to bump compression....tube of Yamabond.
I degreed the stock cams to 105/100 per Muzzy before he later changed to 105/105. Had to buy adj. sprockets.
While the head was off I simply cleaned up the rough castings & matched the intake boots, no cost but a little time.
Bears stacks were donated....what a deal!
Muzzy timing advancer, about $50 back then.
K&N filters, about 75 bucks.
Akropovic SS & carbon pipe, around a grand.
0w/10 fully synthetic oil, 20 buxs.
Slight tailwind......priceless.
Dan
Thanks for the compliment on the 12 Phantom, I still think it's a better looking bike than my 14.
lol, I loved the "priceless" line! Maxton can be a generous track indeed.
I agree, the 12R is a much better looking bike than the 14 IMHO. There's just something about the 12R styling.... hard to put my finger on it. All I know is that I sometimes catch myself just staring and admiring it..... even after 5 years of ownership. I don't see myself getting rid of it, ever.
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posted November 05, 2008 02:45 AM
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I agree, the 12R is a much better looking bike than the 14 IMHO. There's just something about the 12R styling.... hard to put my finger on it. All I know is that I sometimes catch myself just staring and admiring it..... even after 5 years of ownership. I don't see myself getting rid of it, ever.
Mike,
your 12 is soooooooooo "personalized/Phantom-ized", I can fully understand you wanting to keep it forever.
BTW: I stand with you on prefering the 12's looks over the 14. Great bike, the 14, I just prefer the 12.
Karl
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posted November 05, 2008 06:55 AM
Edited By: Halvefast on 5 Nov 2008 14:58
quote:
BTW: I stand with you on prefering the 12's looks over the 14. Great bike, the 14, I just prefer the 12.
Karl
Yeah you can see how aero- challanged the new girl is
compared to the long legged- sexy old girl is! 
Not to get off track here, no thread jacking intended 
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posted November 05, 2008 08:13 AM
Entropy - LMFAO!!! Yes, right now all the moola is in performance, but I'm done with that portion of the my neverending project, now it's all asthetics and purdyfication. I promise, the next time you see my bike it will look as good as it runs. Maybe then I'll be able to shake off the "Junkyard Dog" moniker! lol
Halvefast- haha, nice picture! I don't think you could have found a less aerodynamic 12r to park next to! =) Sure the 12R is tall in stock trim, but there are ways of getting her low and slippery. Now if I can only figure out how to clean up the rats nest Kawasaki calls a wiring harness... then I'll have it made!
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posted November 05, 2008 04:45 PM
Congrats on your new project! looking forward to reading the results. While not my skill set or profession my true passion has always been in modifications. Reading, researching all across the range of motor sports looking for new stuff (too em anyway) thank god for teh internet! My book budget is shot!
It is amazing what technology we have now stock. oem motorcycles and can improve upon.
Now what i'm really looking forward too is the new V-max motor -when someone starts tweaking and more importantly what the 'other" oem will spin off in larger displacements/engine configurations
Anyway best of luck!
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THE ICE MAN
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posted November 06, 2008 07:48 PM
O.K. OEM parts came in today and also some aftermarket goodies.
I will finish the head Friday and start putting back together on Saturday.
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posted November 06, 2008 08:11 PM
keep it coming Sal! 
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posted November 07, 2008 06:09 AM
Look at all those perty things! Just need a side of BBQ and all would be perfect!!!!
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posted November 07, 2008 09:42 AM
Sal
did you happen to do a dyno pull before hand? I'm interested in the gains with the head done with degreed cams
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posted November 07, 2008 10:19 AM
they dont use dynos
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posted November 07, 2008 10:43 AM
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Sal
did you happen to do a dyno pull before hand? I'm interested in the gains with the head done with degreed cams
I will find out if he evere had it on a dyno ?
My buddy has a dyno just maybe we can get it on ther using pump gas.
Down here where I am at they run 188-189 mph I have also seen
mid 180's with guys using INTERNET maps from various shops.
As soon as I get the bike dialed in I will know what the complete stage 1 package
was worth I am hoping to go right at 200 MPH
Sal.
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posted November 07, 2008 06:13 PM
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Brock did it, so it's possible. Didn't he? I think I read it in his diaries.
Yup he did it back in 2006 when the bike first came out ..
With what the Ice Man is doing to that zx14 200 MPH shouldn't be that hard ..A good light weight jocky with skills no problem , a big guy with no skills BIG problem .. 
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posted November 07, 2008 10:39 PM
Great work Sal. Keep it up. 
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posted November 07, 2008 11:15 PM
When did Ace start using dynos? just to compare right? no dynotuning?
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posted November 08, 2008 07:11 AM
Dyno? What's that? lol
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posted November 08, 2008 04:36 PM
Edited By: THE ICE MAN on 9 Nov 2008 00:39
The Head is done !
I measured the Factory pro velocity stacks at the bottom where the mount to the
back of the throttle bodie and up at the top where the bellmouth is and guess what ??
They are the same exact diameter !
The ZX14 head is not exactly a good design in my opinion so I made some changes
actually a few on the intake and exhaust, I want this bike together so I can start tuning
and see what it has with this head.
But I have ran into other issues on the bike from the factory that is noy exeptable
little things that need to be slightly modified.
Monday the head goes on and cams degreed Tuesday the bike should be ready to go.
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posted November 08, 2008 04:55 PM
Edited By: THE ICE MAN on 9 Nov 2008 00:56
Here are the TB 's with the factory pro stacks.
They do not match up tp good so thats one of the things I also had to fix.
I will do a back to back test against the stock stacks.
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posted November 08, 2008 05:09 PM
Edited By: THE ICE MAN on 9 Nov 2008 01:16
Is anyone looking to lower their ZX14 /
We slid them on the second hole and droped the bike 1.5" that is too
much for his street bike we were looking for a max of 1" only.
We would like to sell these for 50.00 to your door
The were 70.00 shiped to us.
anyone interested let me know.
Thanks's
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posted November 08, 2008 05:31 PM
Sal you could keep them as is and shim the top of the shock to get the 1 inch instead of 1.5.
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