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posted May 01, 2008 06:12 AM
i really don't care too much what class i run in because, i am just going for incr personal best. 
but, i really do like to learn this stuff.
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posted May 01, 2008 06:31 AM
As Todd stated above, you can bring another manufactures gas in a sealed container and get it verified to obtain the seal from the gas vendor, however, I seem to recall that there is now a MANDATORY $20.00 fee payable to the gas vendor for this service. Your gas can will then reside in the gas vendors area for the remainder of the event & require their services for top offs to maintain the sealed gas requirement.
If you don't want to be bothered with purchasing & using exclusively track gas (Sunoco) or bringing your own sealed then you're welcome to run the fuel class.
People, please have the integrity to do this correctly. If you deviate from this and run some of your own gas you ARE breaking the rules and therefore "cheating". It doesn't matter if it's an advantage to you or not, it's still breaking the rules.
Let's all have a good time & do so by using a level playing field!
Deb
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posted May 01, 2008 06:46 AM
Some good questions in here for sure Karl 
And it's always about a personal best until you find out you're close enough to consider a record ;-)
Speed comes from knowledge far more often the knowledge comes from speed,
but without curiousity... both of them will either decay or become dnagerous .
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posted May 01, 2008 07:51 AM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 1 May 2008 08:57
Several things , "I" Did not have a problem with my chain guard but people reading the rules came up with the steel guards that covered the entire chain and had no Outlet for the chain like on Jim Owen Kawasaki.
Seeing that scared me (Seriously) on what would happen if the chain let go! I have an Open CF and Metal that goes past the rear of the sprocket that fits the rules but was questioned!
On Fuel, All I know is what I see. I see people bring their bikes up to the truck and getting gasoline and the Tank sealed! I have yet to see anyone drain their tank and then refill with only track fuel! Now if this has changed I stand corrected.
Most people have their favorite brand of fuel such as VP, Sunoco Cam 2 or other and to me it is not a matter of Using some kind of "Cheater Fuel" but what is available in their area or the cheapest price. I personally do not know ANYONE that has ever used anything "Special" in their fuel to make power at MAXTON. FOr all of the people I Know that go there they are religious about the rules and when it came to Gasoline I felt it was more about getting business for the Fuel provider (Yes they have to make money to make it worth while to be there) than some kind of special fuel hence the fact that I did not see anyone draining their tank
Of course as the weekend wears on and if they have to refuel then the fuel question is not a problem because any other gasoline has been used up by then and only the track fuel remains.
Todd, His tank holds about 3 gallons and I had no trouble running my bike in the Modified class and if he can run the Speed to set a record in one group as opposed to the other AND THE BIKE IS LEGAL for that class then I feel he should go for that class!. It Cost money to change classes and being poor I cannot afford to change classes like Scott Gutherie and set a lot of records. THAT Is why I say look at their web page and see if there is a 1650 class that your bike fits and the one with the lowest speed is the one to enter!
PLEAZE, realize I am not saying to anyone how to cheat or to cheat! Matter of fact I think the questions are so that they do not break any rules!
Now my question to you is do they now require you to drain your tank prior to getting track gasoline?
BTW, I plan to ride down there and volunteer to help where ever needed since I still have not finished my bike. This is something I always wanted to do but never had the time until NOW! Are we all OK NOW?
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posted May 01, 2008 08:01 AM
Karl, just bring your sealed can and I'll pay the $20 extortion fee. I want you to run in
a gas only class, its only fair.
Do you all still let Modified bikes run in the Altered class if they meet or are under the requirments, similar to engine displacement?
If I remember correctly you all stopped allowing Non-streamlined bikes from running in the streamline class.
Thanks,
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posted May 01, 2008 08:03 AM
My understanding of the gas rule is that you were always SUPPOSED to drain your tank. I wonder if maybe we have been the only ones doing this? I guess we'd have to discuss with the owners if the gas vendors were instructed to check for emptied tanks or to empty your tank in front of them. As a tech my only requirement is to see the gas seal although the primary function of a tech is safety not class compliance. This conversation opens more questions for me then it does provide answers.....
I guess maybe if we had an impound.....
things that make you go hmmmm.....
Deb
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posted May 01, 2008 08:09 AM
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Karl, just bring your sealed can and I'll pay the $20 extortion fee. I want you to run in
a gas only class, its only fair.
Do you all still let Modified bikes run in the Altered class if they meet or are under the requirments, similar to engine displacement?
If I remember correctly you all stopped allowing Non-streamlined bikes from running in the streamline class.
Thanks,
Gary
You may still freely run up in engine class from below.
You MUST make a change to the bike (make it not legal for modified) in order to switch from Modified to Altered (and vise versa).
a non partially streamlined bike can run in a partially streamlined class (but why would you) however a typical open wheeled bike (non PS or PS) can NOT run in the Streamline classes. (ie: S/*-cc...)
Don't think of it as extortion, it's for services rendered to validate that the gas is legal. If you don't want to pay you're free to run in the fuel class. (lets play nice & be nice to the vendor that's willing to sit there all weekend for very little money!)
Deb
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posted May 01, 2008 08:16 AM
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Karl, ... I want you to run in a gas only class, its only fair...
Gary
okey dokey, i'll run in the gas class.
I sometimes have gas, but i'm told i've never had class.
no problemo to bring a new can o' C-44
I'm getting my head back from Jim tomorrow so i prob have time to rebuild my motor 2-3 times before endo June.
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posted May 01, 2008 08:47 AM
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Karl, just bring your sealed can and I'll pay the $20 extortion fee.
You know what Gary, I don't know the gas guy personally... but I do know that he doens't make enough money to set up and sell the little bit of gas he does for the weekend, let alone take bullshit comments like this from some loudmouth that doesn't even know him. You're the kind of person I don't care if they ever show up at our track and are 100% the opposite of what places like Maxton have always been about.
A couple people informed me I should know better then try to help out, and to walk away from the first "ego-maniac" HEARSAY comment you made... and I swore they were wrong(as usual, I'm dumber then I thought).
If anyone has a Maxton specific question that I or other ECTA volunteers can help with.... feel free to go thru the normal channels. Or you can get your info from people like Vince and Gary here and see how much it helps you.
For those looking to have a good, fast and safe time... I truly look forward to seeing you at the track.
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posted May 01, 2008 09:01 AM
We Talk and we Listen and we all learn! Dr. Gary, You are correct that you must HAVE a streamliner to run in that class (Roll cage, Fire Bottles and all) I "THINK" the wheelbase is the issue with altered or Modified and maybe seat height / Location. Look at the rules.
SOme of these records were set 2007 so the rules for Karls Bike cannot be a HUGE difference but I will know in a few weeks!
Very few people will ride like Dave Owen with their Head down only looking at the line! Not to mention how serious his bike is to boot!
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1650 CC NON-Pushrod Records Altered
182 A/G-1650/4 Forstall & Knecum & Deluca Steve Knecum Oct-07 201.009
1-B A/F-1650/4 Scott Guthrie Racing Wayne Pollak Mar-04 190.746
2-B A/BG-1650/4 Scott Guthrie Racing Scott Guthrie Oct-04 208.647
2-B A/BF-1650/4 Scott Guthrie Racing Scott Guthrie Mar-04 211.974
9514 A/VG-1650/4 Knuckle Dragger William Johnson Jun-07 96.460
9229 APS/G-1650/4 Ace Performance Sal Spatafora May-07 214.041 Smaller Number
3135 APS/F-1650/4 Tiger Racing Guy Caputo May-06 228.803
8-B APS/BG-1650/4 Yancy Racing Lee Shierts Sep-05 249.521
8-B APS/BF-1650/4 Yancy Racing Lee Shierts Sep-05 247.443
1650 CC NON-Pushrod Records Modified
5111 M/G-1650/4 Wild Bros Racing Bill Warner Mar-07 200.062
9465 M/F-1650/4 Brooks Racing Roy Brooks Oct-07 189.194
8-B M/BG-1650/4 Yancy Racing Wayne Pollack Jun-05 219.458
9404 M/BF-1650/4 Nickel City Racing Trillium Muir Jun-07 207.756
389 M/VG-1650/4 Bob Ellard Racing Sean McAvoy Jun-05 126.282
389 M/VF-1650/4 Bob Ellard Racing Sean McAvoy Oct-03 114.126
389 M/VBG-1650/4 Bob Ellard Racing Sean McAvoy Oct-03 116.798
389 M/VBF-1650/4 Bob Ellard Racing Sean McAvoy Oct-03 116.752
9244 MPS/G-1650/4 BDE SUZUKI Dave Owen Apr-06 219.036 A BIG Number to beat!
9229 MPS/F-1650/4 Ace Performance Sal Spatafora Oct-07 218.002
8-B MPS/BG-1650/4 Yancy Racing Wayne Pollack Apr-05 255.543
8-B MPS/BF-1650/4 Yancy Racing Wayne Pollack Apr-05 253.835
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posted May 01, 2008 11:44 AM
Edited By: TRNorBRN6001 on 1 May 2008 12:45
Dang and I thought the Busa and Boneville guys were sensitive.
Easy narider, I was just kidding around like the comment on Vider earlier. Guess I should have said bribe money (kidding again). I knew the girl that did the first couple Texas Mile fuel supplies and she hardly made any kind of money, I understand.
I really do appreciate all of you alls help.
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posted May 01, 2008 12:38 PM
Edited By: VincentHill on 1 May 2008 14:02
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Dang and I thought the Busa and Boneville guys were sensitive.
Easy narider, I was just kidding around like the comment on Vider earlier. Guess I should have said bribe money (kidding again). I knew the girl that did the first couple Texas Mile fuel supplies and she hardly made any kind of money, I understand.
I really do appreciate all of you alls help.
Gary
Todd is not that Sensitive, He talks to me (From time to time) He is serious about his racing and did not want any mis-understandings that would cause ANYONE a problem. ME I see the rules and then how they are applied. When I raced for Money, I read everything they did not say and that is what I did! Now I try to read the "Spirit" of the rule which is more like what they are trying to do. That chain Guard on Jim's Bike is to the Letter of the rule and to me is not safe and I have told him so. I even think he changed it to make it safer! Dr. Gary the scarry thing is I always seem to understand what you are trying to say!
I gave the address and url to get the 19 tooth SProcket!! I think you already know that the steel chain Guard has to be radiused 1/8 inch to clear.
Todd, Dr, Gary is serious about his racing, but he is also quite relaxed in how he feels about everyone and is not a person to "Tow the Line" on how he speaks! He is a very generous person and the only fault I have with him is he always over pays what ever I send to him. Understanding that which you did not know and the fact that you may be at work having a real time with someone's Hardley, you did not understand his sense of Humor.
Please Also understand that he has no way of knowing how things are at Maxton and that it is not alwyays the case where we can get someone to even bring fuel to the track and that some of the rules were set to keep having this as an Option! Debbie must not be working on the same bike because she seems to be able to allow for the differences in our personalites "TODAY". Remember there are some places where they make a real effort to take you for every penny you have and if you do not like it leave! When you have seen this, your sensors for this kind of thing are always on MAX Alert! On the surface to charge to OK Fuel in a sealed COntainer does not seem reasonable. The high price of fuel has removed my sense of Humor at the Gas Pump when I would see it rise 5 to 10 cents ever few days and eventually saw it hit $2.00 a gallon! Now that it is at $4.00 a gallon I is not Funny in the least!
So we will all be there and other than the Heat and the Sweat we will have a good time and if you come over to Capt Larry's, (Saturday Night) It is on me! I have pulled down the form and sending in my fee for the year and with a note that they can use me as they see fit if they are short handed! (Usually Long turn out!) I hope we are all OK now?:Rolleyes
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posted May 01, 2008 01:10 PM
Thank you much Mr. Hill for the sprocket info. and the integrity plug, I think it was just a misunderstanding and my weird sense of humor. I picked up a designated LSR chain guard from Guy at Tiger Racing, should work just fine. I am out on the subject as far as chain guards. I have seen some scary stuff and hope to never loose a chain at speed.
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posted May 06, 2008 02:46 PM
Mailed off my pre-entry today. 
I can't wait!!
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posted May 06, 2008 10:47 PM
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Thank you much Mr. Hill for the sprocket info. and the integrity plug, I think it was just a misunderstanding and my weird sense of humor. I picked up a designated LSR chain guard from Guy at Tiger Racing, should work just fine. I am out on the subject as far as chain guards. I have seen some scary stuff and hope to never loose a chain at speed.
Gary,
great minds think alike! I just got one also.
Ryan,
Mine went in the mail on Monday.
This'll be cool. Never been to Maxton, looking fwd to it.
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posted May 07, 2008 05:36 AM
I'm still holding out to see the results coming up at Maxton. If it's still within reach, I'll try to
convince JC to trim up each cylinder and run an 80 shot on my poor little motor.
Getting excited,
Gary
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posted May 07, 2008 07:03 AM
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I'm still holding out to see the results coming up at Maxton. If it's still within reach, I'll try to
convince JC to trim up each cylinder and run an 80 shot on my poor little motor.
Getting excited,
Gary
i'd like to see you do a cyl trim! go for it!
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posted May 07, 2008 11:54 AM
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I'm still holding out to see the results coming up at Maxton. If it's still within reach, I'll try to
convince JC to trim up each cylinder and run an 80 shot on my poor little motor.
Getting excited,
Gary
i'd like to see you do a cyl trim! go for it!
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Do it!!
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