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posted April 03, 2008 12:46 PM
measuring stuff 101. setting clearances
ok, my new toys are ready to be used. I allready mic'd and labled all the crank bearing inserts, and im ready to begin measuring the cases and rods and the crank. measuring the crank is pretty self explanatory, using a bore guage is slightly more tricky...
I put the 2 case halves together with silicone and torqued all the bolts to the proper spec.
is there a specific way to measure the cases? perpendicular to where the halves meet? at an angle? just double checking, my guess is it doesnt matter and they should be perfect circles....
if anyone has a step by step procedure they do every time to make it easy, i would love to hear it just so im not second guessing myself Karl? Jim? Tim? anyone?
thx! 
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posted April 03, 2008 12:52 PM
i always measure em perpendicular to the split. measure both side of the oil channel.
I've never put goop (yamabond4) on the cases when i am measuring stuff... hmmmm...
i will be interested in yr results!
go-KZ-GO!
This will be a very useful thread.
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posted April 03, 2008 12:55 PM
should i do it again dry to compare results?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 03, 2008 01:32 PM
The clearance specs are pretty wide, yamabond might change it by .001 or .002 tops after all is torqued I would think Karl.....
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posted April 03, 2008 04:46 PM
NOX, thats metric right?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 03, 2008 05:11 PM
oops, sorry.......
.0001 or .0002
My father in law confuses me......, I speak in metric, he speaks in standard........
He runs a machine shop, and he is winning the fight........, I give him a metric measurement, and he spits it right back at me in standard.......
He is breaking me.......
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posted April 03, 2008 05:32 PM
hahaha im 50 50, but usually prefer metric for this type of stuff... but at work its all std
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 03, 2008 09:35 PM
i would hope it wouldn't make any difference at all, sticky stuff on the cases or not ,as the mating surfaces where you tq down the cases don't have any goo. but who knows?
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posted April 03, 2008 09:46 PM
Well, it is a full machined surface......, but, like you said, those areas do not have any, and as well who have turned the torque wrench know, the whole motor, and engine stand ttry to move on you as you torque them......, so, probably, no issue.......
BTW, I was speaking today with Royal Purple......, they said even at 1 to 2 lbs of oil pressure (at idle), event thier 0w10 would be fine.......... Holy Cow Batman........
I am a brave guy, but not that brave......., and no, I dont have that idle pressure......, more like 20 cold, 10 to 15 hot........, with 5w30 castrol in it right now to seat the rings.......
Good point though Karl........
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posted April 05, 2008 04:59 AM
Ok, well heres one way to think about it, if the goop does chance the actual clearance slightly, wouldnt it be best to use that figure anyway as thats the figure it will be when the motor is assembled and actually running?
0w10 is too risky for me too, but 5w20 is sounding good (thats the RP you were running before right NOX?) hmmm maybe mix them for a 2.5w15?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 05, 2008 07:37 AM
I have a hard time believing it would change the spec at all? good luck with your project for sure!
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posted April 05, 2008 11:03 AM
Yeah, RP but make sure and use Racing 11, not the 5w20 that you get in the parts store.....
Two different oils...., both VERY good......., but the Racing 11 is VERY VERY VERY good.......
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posted April 05, 2008 11:30 AM
cool thx guys, im just trying to get accurate results from my bore guage on my cases, getting consistant results is a must.
does anyone have any pics of marked cases or rods? i can find the marks on the cranks.... i didnt see any markings on my cases, but the one bearing bore i did measure should have had a mark, (if i measured it correctly). i got 40.004mm (should have a big "O" from 40.000-40.008 and no mark for 40.009-40.016)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 05, 2008 05:06 PM
don't think I've ever seen a set of "O" marked cases?
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posted April 06, 2008 08:24 PM
I measure without goop, but only 'cause it's less messy. Remember that the goo will only increase the clearance slightly. Most of the time, my numbers showed that that would be a good thing.
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posted April 06, 2008 08:35 PM
KZScott, were the cases torqued?
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posted April 07, 2008 11:47 AM
quote:
don't think I've ever seen a set of "O" marked cases?
just going by the manual, the cases, crank and rods are all either marked or unmarked.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 07, 2008 12:10 PM
quote:
KZScott, were the cases torqued?
torqued, with oiled threads as per manual instructions
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 07, 2008 12:12 PM
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I measure without goop, but only 'cause it's less messy. Remember that the goo will only increase the clearance slightly. Most of the time, my numbers showed that that would be a good thing.
DM, I appreciate your input, i rarely "see you" in the dragbike zone
What clearance would you recommend on a race/street bike that gets abused but not a lot of miles?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 07, 2008 12:17 PM
now if i could just get the hang of this bore gauge..... anyone have a good "how to" link or set of faqs? the instructions that came with it are VERY vague for a first time user of such a tool.....
I have a CEN-TECH 1.4-6'' ELECTRONIC BORE GAUGE
Harbor Freight ITEM 94873-2VGA
help with the different functions and buttons would be greatly appreciated.
thx!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 07, 2008 01:24 PM
I would try to set it up at .0017 to .002
That is where we sent mine, and it is running hard.
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posted April 08, 2008 12:10 PM
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posted April 08, 2008 04:52 PM
I'll go to .0025 without worry. I agree with NOX, no tighter than .0017.
Thanks KZ, I lurk around a bit........
Using the bore guage on the cases is not easy because you can't "rock" it easily when measuring the center bores. You're probably doing it right, it is not easy. Practice on a rod.
Place the two "wheels" on the bottom of the hole with the guage readout lower than the centerline. Then, without moving the "wheels", lift the guage upward which slides the movable probe across the bearing from a larger relative distance through a minimum distance and then to a divering larger value. Where the number is at its minimum value, that's the diameter.
Like I said you're doing it right.
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posted April 08, 2008 06:09 PM
Double check EVERYTHING.
be as anal as MONK.
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posted April 09, 2008 11:22 AM
ok thx guys. i have that part down, im just confused as to what the different settings are on the guage mean.
theres 5 buttons, i know the easy ones:P
unit
on/zero
but "ran", "abs/set", and "tol" are not playing nice
from the operation instructions:
1. Press the ZERO/ON Button to turn on the Electronic Bore Gauge. When turning off, hold the ZERO/ON Button down until the tool shuts down.
2. Select INCH or METRIC modes by pressing the UNIT Button.
3. Use the ABS/SET button to set a specific measurement.
4. The RAN button will measure the minimum range of the bore being measured.
5. The TOL button will yield the tolerance range of the bore being measured.
Calibration Using a Micrometer, and Measuring a Bore:
1. Set the outside micrometer (not included) to the exact dimension to be measured. Tighten the Lock Nut located on the micrometer.
2. Place the Electronic Bore Gauge measuring contacts across the micrometer (not included). (See Figure 3)
3. Tap the RAN Button twice. Sweep the Electronic Bore Gauge back and forth in the micrometer (not included) to set the minimum data. (See Figure 3)
4. Remove the Electronic Bore Gauge and note the minimum data on the display.
5. Tap the RAN Button twice to zero the indicator.
6. Start measuring the work piece. Tap the RAN Button twice, note the display symbol. Sweep the Electronic Bore Gauge back and forth in the bore; note the minimum data on the display.
7. To calculate the dimension of the work piece: take the dimension of the outside micrometer and subtract the minimum data of the work piece and the minimum data of the micrometer.
Im just not getting this, and it should be simple....
i appreciate all help 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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