zrexpilot
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posted November 16, 2007 08:45 PM
 Edited By: zrexpilot on 16 Nov 2007 21:25
questions on dry shot.
I just dtarted to install my dry kit. I have been reading that some claim that an air box fog can lead to engine failure due to certain cylinders not getting the correct mixture. they claim that a direct injection into the throttle bodies is much safer. Like the muzzy kit. well my kit only has one nozzle. My question is have any of you guys built your own setup for a 4 intake injection setup. I m thinking about going with a distribution block of some sort and maybe copper lines into the intakes, or 4 nozzles into the intakes. What do you all thin k and do you have any pics of your set ups.
  
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ninja12
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posted November 16, 2007 09:44 PM
How much are you going to spray?
Lots of people are have good luck with one jet on small shot.
I ran a 34 jet for years and never had head gasket problems.
For big hp use the direct injection or wet ket.
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KZScott
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posted November 16, 2007 10:12 PM
just put the nozzel up in the front of the air box so it has time to spread out. even better, split it so you have 1 nozzel for each of the ram air tubes. if the air temp sensor doesnt get cold (if you spray straight into the throttle bodies) it wont richen the mix any, so you would have to rely on the power commander completely to add the extra fuel. letting the air temp sensor add some of the extra fuel by it getting cold (fogging the whole air box) will let you run a less rich nitrous map(compared to spraying direct), which will be better when you are running NA
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posted November 17, 2007 05:00 AM
A 34 jet give what kind of hp increase?
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zrexpilot
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posted November 17, 2007 05:57 AM
Edited By: zrexpilot on 17 Nov 2007 05:58
I dont have a problem with back and forth between maps so thats not an issue. I heard Doug say one time that the sensor doesnt compensate fast enough to rely on so I dont trust doing it tha way. How big of shot am I going to run ? who knows ,as big as my fuel sytem will allow, thats how big. Coud be 40 could be 80, wont know unitll we dyno. Going to keep going up untill I reach the duty cycle limit. Going to pull timing and run c-12 or c 16
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posted November 17, 2007 03:38 PM
~ 8 mph
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KZScott
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posted November 17, 2007 09:28 PM
not to call BS on DM, but it does do something(maybe its not quite up to his standards?). just look at all the dry kits out there that rely on it. its good for 40-50 shot if done right. maybe theres a little bit of a lean spike when it starts(is it cools off) but is fine after that? (possibly what DM was talking about?) just look at what Wayne Lawson did with no power commander or ignition retard (his single stage)
http://www.zx-12r.org/Motorcycle_info/Motorcycle%20pictures/TeamLawson/TeamLawsonZX12RNosSystem.htm
If i was going to do it (and will be sometime down the road) i would go with a 40-50 shot split so its spraying into where the ram air tubes meet the air box, go with ngk cr10ek plugs (non platinum), take 2 degrees of timing out at 80-100% throttle and bump it up a couple bars on the power commander in the same area. and run 93 octane pump gas(if you have stock pistons/compression). should be a safe setup and only loose 3 hp or so when running NA as far as i can tell.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 18, 2007 11:23 AM
well the other thing is I might do a progressive shot so i need a direct shot into the manifolds and I might do a rpm switch to cut out nos before the limiter so a direct shot is neccessary to do thse mods.. Does anyone have pics of a direct shot set up.
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posted November 18, 2007 02:38 PM
the muzzy kit is a direct shot right into the stacks
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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zrexpilot
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posted November 18, 2007 06:14 PM
already have a kit
I got it figured out.
Ths is going to be trick, gonna use a shift minder to cut out nos at the shift point , which will also prevent from hitting the limiter on the nos. TPS activated, 4 nozzle set up, sprayed directly into the intakes.
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posted November 18, 2007 10:08 PM
cool, just make the lines really short after the solenoid so they empty quickly when its killed to shift
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 19, 2007 08:19 AM
more info here
http://www.zx-12r.org/Motorcycle_info/Motorcycle%20pictures/TeamLawson/TeamLawson9.35sZX-12R.htm
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 19, 2007 07:32 AM
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cool, just make the lines really short after the solenoid so they empty quickly when its killed to shift
Is he tring to kill before the shift or stay off the rev limit on spray?
If it's to shift he has to kill spray before the shift.
If it's to stay off the limiter, he is probably OK if he is not shifting at the limiter.
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zrexpilot
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posted November 19, 2007 07:41 AM
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cool, just make the lines really short after the solenoid so they empty quickly when its killed to shift
Is he tring to kill before the shift or stay off the rev limit on spray?
If it's to shift he has to kill spray before the shift.
If it's to stay off the limiter, he is probably OK if he is not shifting at the limiter.
Mainly to keep from hitting the limiter on spray. If I set the shift minder at say 11k but shift at 11.5 I think It will shift with out spray as well
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posted November 24, 2007 05:48 AM
I HAVE 2000 W/1270 KIT AND I HAVE BEEN SPRAYING IT FOR ABOUT 4 YEARS WITH OUT ANY PROBLEMS I STARTED OUT WITH A 34 JET AND FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS I HAVE BEEN USING A 40 JET TPS ACTIVATEDW/ TWO BUTTON PROGRESSIVE AND ONLY 1 NOZZLE ON THE SENSOR SIDE RAM AIR TUBE PROBLEM FREE. AND A 40 JET WAS GOOD FOR A BOUT 60 HP ON THE DYNO
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ryan schnitz
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posted November 26, 2007 12:56 PM
Edited By: ryan schnitz on 26 Nov 2007 12:57
Here is a link to a kit we did on a 06 Hayabusa http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=5004366&showprevnext=1
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zrexpilot
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posted November 27, 2007 05:21 PM
Ryan I ordered all that stuff from you guys on monday. except the stacks, going to mount the nozzles a little different.
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ryan schnitz
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posted November 28, 2007 05:52 AM
Ah, so are you using the straight nozzle instead of the 90 degree nozzle? I believe I reviewed your order and had one of the sales ladies call the check... or maybe it was another order?
Let us know how it turns out!
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zrexpilot
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posted November 28, 2007 06:27 PM
Hmmmmm, I got some email from her and now I am all confused, I ordered what yall show ,I need to call tommorow I thought they were anlged spray pattern, your list doesnt show angled or straight it just shows dry shot nozzle.
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posted November 28, 2007 07:10 PM
I can't wait to here your results. Is your motor stock or built?
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posted November 29, 2007 05:27 AM
Edited By: ryan schnitz on 29 Nov 2007 05:28
We have two designs.
The 13500-DRY is our normal dry kit nozzle for air box install. The nitrous comes straight out the end.
The 13500-NOS has the 45 degree angle cut and forces the nitrous out at a 90 degree angle.
***Notice the part number difference -DRY or -NOS
Here is the link - http://secure.mycart.net/catalogs/catalog.asp?prodid=325267
We used the 13500-NOS in our upgrade kit. You ordered the 13500-DRY
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posted November 29, 2007 05:43 AM
Ryan,
I am sure i can speak for all of us here (except BIKEGOD and his dipshit sidekick) when i thank you for your participation and assistance on this forum.  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted November 29, 2007 09:01 AM
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I am sure i can speak for all of us here (except BIKEGOD and his dipshit sidekick) when i thank you for your participation and assistance on this forum. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes ! entropy
you say right !!
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posted November 29, 2007 03:21 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 29 Nov 2007 15:25
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Ryan,
I am sure i can speak for all of us here (except BIKEGOD and his dipshit sidekick) when i thank you for your participation and assistance on this forum. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes ! entropy
you say right !!
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Ryan, since you seem to be so helpful, Im going to email you directly, I have sent 2 emails to different people at schnitz racing in the past couple weeks and no replies...I was quite suprised as you guys have allways been very prompt. Must be busy with xmas orders 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted November 30, 2007 05:55 AM
Scott, got your email. Going to check, but may take a few days for an answer from manufacturer. I'm sure we can.
Happy to assist all of you with your projects. Let me know if there is anything else you need.
Ryan@schnitzracing.com is the best way to get a hold of me.
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