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posted May 11, 2008 05:02 AM
pics
more arts and crafts stuff for your daughter NOX  lol
and the real thing getting started
you can see why i have the extra room by looking at the stock header. the "4" section of the 4-2-1 is a lot longer than the muzzy
also moving the drain plug to here. you can see how the little "gaurd" kawi put there was doing its job(beat all to hell), but i dont want to have it torn out someday...
couple more..
i only spaced it out the width of the cardboard because ill be wrapping my exhaust and im trying to maximize my oil capacity
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 12, 2008 05:54 PM
got more done tonight
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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NOX
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posted May 12, 2008 06:02 PM
Scott is the King of Kardboard
Next he will be making a mock up lock up clutch just to be a smartass.......lol
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posted May 12, 2008 06:14 PM
i allways make a template first so i dont f*ck up the piece im trying to make (as many times )
i only need to mock up stuff i have to make. MTC did the job perfectly on the lock up 
dont worry though, dads coby/muzzy pan is being mocked up then built next. then ill take both to be tig welded as my stick welding isnt that great...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 12, 2008 06:27 PM
In one of those shots, it looks like you will have problems with a bolt/socket clearance.
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posted May 12, 2008 06:44 PM
That bottom hole might better serve you closer to the front, and as low as possible to minimize traped oil.
The current position may allow more oil to escape into the new room on hard launches. Also the more room you have for oil to hide BEHIND the pick-up the more oil you NEED to stay in the pan for the pickup.
tilt you pan to the rear to imitate the hard G's and note where the oil goes and you new oil needs. Use a oil level you believe you will have in the pan with the engine running high rpms at the line.
Also the spot behind the new wall could be completely blocked or filled,
It going to be dead once it fills with oil, it can't get out unless you add a gate(small hole) in the wall.
The oil returns to the front of the pan, only about 1/3 is going back into the sump until it hit the back of the pan. there may be opportunities to channel more back toward the sump.
Be careful with oil pan mods, they can bit you hard.
just my opinions on areas of opportunity.
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posted May 12, 2008 10:05 PM
way cool that KZ is fabbing his own oil pan.
like ninja12 says, "be careful", think it thru.
remember that the issue is not just on accel, but decel also.
me thinks a slosh plate covering the entire pan would be REAL helpful if lil drain holes were drilled in it
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NOX
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posted May 13, 2008 04:32 AM
Yeah, like the coby pan......
I am getting 70 psi in the shut down area with mine........
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posted May 13, 2008 05:41 AM
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Yeah, like the coby pan......
I am getting 70 psi in the shut down area with mine........
The Coby pan does keep good oil pressure when dumping the throttle at the big end. yep.
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posted May 13, 2008 01:45 PM
Yes Karl, I was amazed at how much more it had .......
And, I get no starvation on the start, and ground clearance.....woo hoo.
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posted May 13, 2008 03:14 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 13 May 2008 16:18
yes, one bolt hole will likely need to be dremmeled after the pan is welded up
on a hard launch, the only place the oil can go from the added section is up thru the drill hole at the front (not going to happen) or out the hole beside the pick up. i dont think much will escape into the added section as i believe it should be pretty much full, and theres no place for it to get into the back of the pan and up into the trans like the rest of the wide open area.
the cardboard wall you see is a direct copy of the coby pan in that area. i dont care if its a dead zone, if oil can get into that area thru a small hole, it will go there on the hard launch, then up into the trans, i want as much as possible to stay at the pick up. i could make a small "flapper" on a pivot that would act as a one way valve, but i would be concearned with it staying open.
the coby pan:
i was thinking about drilling and tapping the back of the head to run oil lines(gravity feed) back to the pick up because oil only drains from the front of the head...
keep the ideas rolling guys
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 18, 2008 08:03 PM
did some work to my stacks tonight. started matching them up to the throttle bodies, got 2 and a half done. wont be quite as good as the muzzy or bear stacks, but better than stock with that bump removed right where the stack meets the TB
also did some painting to mix it up.
i think this is going to look really nice with the muzzy block offs
and worked on the clutch cover too
more pics/info on that here:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=37122&pagenumber=2
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 25, 2008 07:10 PM
for everyone possibly reading this thread weeks, months, or even yrs down the road, we are discussing valve clearances here:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=39333&set_time=
and modifying pistons for nitrous here:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=39309&set_time=1211768513
more painted stuff
my stator cover was also scratched up, so i filled the scrapes with JB weld and sanded it down, ill paint that when i pick up more paint. plus the paint on my block needs to be "re done"
and things that make me drool:P
86mm 13.5:1 CR
I also have my shift ram mounted, but forgot to get pics.
more tomorrow!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 26, 2008 07:01 PM
there was allready a hole drilled in my frame, as the PO had an MPS shifter on the bike, so i just put my ram in the same spot. to avoid having the switching valve in the way, I followed Nox's advise and cross drilled the ram where it mounts to the frame. i put a nut on it(5/8 UNF) so it wouldnt be weakened from the double hole
Im not sure if the switching valve is on correctly, but ill know as soon as i hook it up to some air
worked on the oil pan aswell. picked up an aluminum nitrous fitting and a cap (couldnt find an anodized blue alum cap  ) and the fitting will be welded to the pan. it wont drain "all" of the oil like the stock plug, but it will give me an inch of ground clearance
( Buddy, this Buds for you )
I also thought i would add a baffle in the new section, and connect the "dead area" that the coby style baffle creates. hopefully this will solve any issues caused by a hard launch like ninja12 was concerned about, as any oil entering the new area of the pan from the pick up area will get greatly slowed down
keep the great ideas coming guys. i appreciate any feedback that can help me out 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted June 09, 2008 06:10 PM
got the other 2 oil squirters in my upper case. need to work on my pistons(sharp edges) and start assembly the other way.
how are you guys torquing the block down without the head? or do you? i was thinking that if i put the goop on the bottom of the block, put the head on and torque the bolts and let it sit for a few hrs i could take the head off and then the block wouldnt move and i wouldnt have to worry about the goop not "squishing" properly....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted June 09, 2008 06:56 PM
Use a couple old valve springs on head bolts.
hand tight is all you need to keep it in place, don't forget your dowel pins.
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posted June 10, 2008 12:09 AM
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Use a couple old valve springs on head bolts.
hand tight is all you need to keep it in place, don't forget your dowel pins.
way cool idea.
Lord knows, i have plenty of springs laying around
prolly can use an old head gasket to protect the block from scratches from the springs.
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posted June 10, 2008 05:49 AM
Looking good. I too have the VHT colored clutch cover, and ALT cover.........
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posted June 10, 2008 02:06 PM
i have carpenter springs in my head, so that works. hand tight is enough to compress the goop inbetween the block and case?? shouldnt that be torqued??
thx again guys
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted June 11, 2008 05:45 PM
Edited By: ninja12 on 11 Jun 2008 18:55
No goop between the block and cases, Unless your not using a base gasket.
Use yamabond spread as thin as you can if that s the case.
No goop if you're still test fitting.
When you're ready for final assembly, put all four piston even at half stroke then you have room to CAREFULLY lift the block just enough to apply yamabond to the case surface.
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posted June 11, 2008 05:54 PM
Edited By: KZScott on 11 Jun 2008 19:06
no base gasket (want a tight quench)
edit: ok that sounds easy enough. ill stop worrying now
thx
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted June 14, 2008 10:02 PM
things are going well
compression ratio worked out to be 12.47:1 see thread
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=39795&set_time=
i wanted right around stock(12.2:1) to be ultra safe when i spray this thing later on. high compression is nice when going all motor (right Karl? ) but it limits how much nitrous i can use on pump gas. with the block shim gone, the head milled and high compression pistons, it would have been really high CR, but the combustion chamber work brought it back down to where i wanted it, plus improves flow at low valve lift 
quench averaged out to 0.0378" see thread:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=39768&set_time=
my goal was .040 -.030. so im really happy with that result too
time to tear it all apart and gap rings according to JC recommendations, borrow stuff to set cam timing (guy was away this wknd ) and try to check PTV....
a few pics
you guys werent lying, putting it together this way was is about 10 gazillion times easier
everything was oiled, the bearing inserts have assembly lube(with a few randon shots on the beautiful R&D trans w billet 1-4 output gears) favourite beverage on hand
doubled up stock EX springs worked great, i just put the washer that normally goes between the bolt head and head between the block and springs
got the other adj cam sprocket put in my intake cam to go with the one i got from JC. need to put the pick up for the sensor on the one with the marker line. its set up so the marks are set as an ex cam. the machine shop did the work for free... i have my first sponsor
Karl, you cut your cam cap to make setting cam timing easier correct? is my line in the right spot?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted June 15, 2008 02:50 AM
great progress and nice pix!!
yep, that's where i cut one of my caps.
I didn't cut the other one so much, but as far as I can see that "roof" doesn't do anything.
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KZScott
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posted June 15, 2008 07:54 AM
thx Karl
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted June 16, 2008 04:56 PM
well i have torqued and retorqued the rod bolts in this thing too many times and im getting worried, so a new set should be at the dealership on wed. i plan on tearing it apart tomorrow to gap rings to JC specs and im not putting it together the way the manual says to... the cases are getting split and im doing it the easy way.
im borrowing a dial indicator and big degree wheel, and hopefully one of you can guide me thru PTV and help with setting cam timing if i cant follow DM's write up on Muzzy's site
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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