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posted November 20, 2007 11:51 PM
KZ, you are gettin' after it!!!
Have you pulled the oil pump? if so how does the impeller look?
What about the oil/water pump drive shaft? If you haven't pulled it from the cases yet, don't pull it. If you have pulled it get a new retaining circlip. It MUST be replaced.
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posted November 21, 2007 04:30 AM
yup, oil pump is out, but i havent taken out the drive shaft. will leave it alone so i dont mess with the circlip. thx for the tip!
oh yeah, some guy told me to replace the pump, so im going to listen to him. i dont know why tho, he allways breaks his own stuff :P 
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=35035&set_time=
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the tops of the lobes look scratched; i'd replace both pieces. as pete says, its cheep.
the 2 pieces actually just have one part number, so ill be picking "it" up at the local stearlership when i get shift forks, and blue bearings... unless theres a better place to buy them?
thx for all the help 
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posted November 21, 2007 04:33 AM
woppi, did you bust your trans too or just putting in the big bore?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted November 21, 2007 05:05 AM
have and want to do ------
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woppi, did you bust your trans too or just putting in the big bore?
my engine + trans works fine, but 2 years dragracing ( this year, firts time with nos ) to do without nothing !! only change clutch plates + change oil ???? !!!!!! ????? i think it is better to take a look:
at the bearings --- crank !!! dont know which colour !!!!!
at bearings ------- rods !!!
at the trans ------ gears !!!
two years ago, i had to change 2+3gear -------- shifting was not the best !!! sometimes yes and sometimes no !! bulls.......
at the -------
and the -------
put in, the other oil pump ???
i am still waiting for my parts !!!!!! want get all parts together !!
and then ----------- the work beginns !!!!!!!!!
engine is still in the frame !!! nothing done until now !!!
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posted November 21, 2007 06:21 AM
cool. post pics when you get it all apart
did you do the circlip mod on the trans? might be a good time while its apart if no.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 21, 2007 10:01 PM
got more pics
add cam chain to the build list too i guess
this stuff is all ready to go back together
whats the best way to clean out the combustion chambers? i spent quite awhile at a couple and its still not as shiny as i want it :P
thx guys!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 22, 2007 06:23 AM
rod bearings? how do they look??
have you THOROUGHLY washed out the oil passages in the crank??
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posted November 22, 2007 08:01 AM
i actually didnt take the rods off of the crank..... after reading so much about how they can get mis alligned i didnt want to touch it... they have to come off??
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 22, 2007 08:34 AM
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i actually didnt take the rods off of the crank..... after reading so much about how they can get mis alligned i didnt want to touch it... they have to come off??
Would you sleep comfortably at night knowing the engine was apart and you didn't at least look? You know you don't want Karl to be the only one having fun building motors!
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posted November 22, 2007 09:33 AM
i did say everything was coming apart.....hope i dont fuck it up when it goes back together lol
this means i need new rod bolts and nuts too? or will they usually stretch enough for 2-3 "torques" (no i dont have the tools to measure bolt stretch  )
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 22, 2007 12:49 PM
 Edited By: entropy on 22 Nov 2007 12:51
you really must pull the rods off the crank to (at least) wash the passages.
Mark each rod as to 1-2-3-4, and mark each cap with front & back and number it to correspond to its rod.
this is kinda important...
I'd change all rod bearings, no matter what they looked like, but that's just me.
I dunno about stock rods/bolts; dumbass, me.
Ya, Pete, I am having FUN!
(sort of)
Just spent two solid days selecting/fitting bearings, measuring pistons to cyl, grinding rings, setting quench, measuring CR, re-shimming all valves, degreeing cams, measuring PTV... Buncha work...
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posted November 23, 2007 09:28 AM
thx Karl!
next time you do all of that, get me a video will ya? help out the beginner :P
what exactly do you do to select/fit bearings? do you use that plastiguage stuff or some other method?
on a side note, i was at the "local" (over an hrs drive) stealership to order some parts yesterday, and all i ended up getting were a couple oil filters. heres why, i had a list made up, and a total price from ron ayers. RA was about $410, local guy about $740. holy fack, ill be trying to order my stuff online!
thx guys!
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 23, 2007 09:42 AM
i get all my stuff thru RA except when i need a "next day" something, then i bite the bullet and have the dealer get it. Mostly i keep all wear parts "in stock".
I briefly used plastigage but quickly grew to hate it.
You have a very good machine shop or high-end motor builder near you?
If so have them measure your rod journals. You will also need a set of rod bearings to mount in yr rods to measure ID. How bad do your rod bearings look? If they are not too bad you can measure the thickness and determine what size they are. You'll need a set of micrometers which repeat to .0001 to get that thickness.
Back to the garage with me. Motor is in the frame, gotta hook stuff up.
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posted November 25, 2007 01:26 PM
theres nothing really around here locally for high end motor builders. theres just not a demand(the closest dyno is a few hrs drive away). theres a couple machine shops, but im not sure how great they are.....
i do have a digital caliper, but i will have to double check as to how precise it goes.
i pulled the rods off, and im glad i did! the bearings arent as bad as the main crank bearings were, but a couple had some scratches. plus some grey shit was flushed out of the oil passages in the crank. definatly good to get rid of that!
the rod bearings were blue just like the other ones. cant i just go new blues here too? (getting an order ready to try RA.com)
thx!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 25, 2007 08:39 PM
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. cant i just go new blues here too? (getting an order ready to try RA.com)
thx!
I would say yes you can, but be sure to give engine time to wear any high spot.(heat cycles)
Many builder use the chart in the manual to build, but the best builder check everything!
With a stock crank and stock rods I would bet with the manual, unless you know exactly
what you're doing.
I believe blue bearing are the thickest and there could be benefits to using black if they
fall within range. Some builder even mix colors on the same rod to get the exact clearance.
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posted November 26, 2007 12:51 AM
yep, +1
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posted November 26, 2007 12:26 PM
Easy Off oven cleaner cuts carbon pretty good. Next best think to a bead blaster. Just be careful where you spray the stuff. It'll eat through skin and weak paint.
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posted November 29, 2007 02:56 AM
KZ
how about an update???
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posted November 29, 2007 09:03 AM
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have the same work to do - - - - - - - -- - as KZScott
uhhhhggggrrrrrrrr - - - - - -
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posted November 29, 2007 12:34 PM
ok, update time
did some more cleaning up on the combustion chambers. used the easy off, but i will be more careful next time i use it. it took off a lot of carbon, but it discoloured the aluminum(came around with lots of rubbing with a scour pad) and i think it actually might have just barely started to eat into the aluminum or maybe my eyes and mind are just playing tricks on me :P I also used some 800 grit wet sand paper to take away any sharp edges.
gave it a spray of wd40 to keep it from oxidizing in the mean time
next step is to make a valve spring tool (did this on a kz before with a c clamp) so i can get the valves and springs out so i can give everything a clean up, and get it ready for new valve seals. maybe new springs???
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 29, 2007 02:28 PM
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KZ
Hell, as long as you are in there, send the head to Y2K and have him cut the seats with his secret profile. Best cheap hp you can get. You have time as the weather up there is prob getting cold... Also have him take .005 off yr head.
It MUST be getting cold there cuz here in Houston the temps PLUNGED into the hi 40's and Gov Perry declared a state of emergency. He is sending disaster relief to all Texans. We are each supposed to receive a knitted cap, mittens and scarf from the Sharper Image by tomorrow.
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posted November 29, 2007 03:04 PM
Karl, define cheap? (maybe pm if not ok posting details?)
yup, its cold minus 10C (about 13F) this morning, and snowing some. need to get better tires on my car, would have prevented a few more things i have to buy now....arrrg put it in the ditch today, fucked up my bumper a bit and busted the rad, and a few other little things. definatly not biking weather! if we get some more snow i can bring out the old 700 wildcat though :P
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 29, 2007 06:26 PM
Kz keep up the good work.
Temps are droping here also it was only a high of 79-80* today.
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posted November 30, 2007 03:16 AM
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Karl, define cheap? (maybe pm if not ok posting details?)
yup, its cold minus 10C (about 13F) this morning, and snowing some. need to get better tires on my car, would have prevented a few more things i have to buy now....arrrg put it in the ditch today, fucked up my bumper a bit and busted the rad, and a few other little things. definatly not biking weather! if we get some more snow i can bring out the old 700 wildcat though :P
sorry to hear about yr car. that sux...
PM Jim (Y2K) for prices on a seat job and head skim.
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posted November 30, 2007 04:04 AM
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@KZScott -------------- think about ! at momet your engine is open !!!
entropy says right --------- "send the head to Y2K and have him cut the seats with his secret profile.Best cheap hp you can get" !!!!!!!!!!!!! yes - yes - yes do that !!!!!!! i know - money - money - money -- there is never enough money at home ! i have the same problem !!
i have a modified head on my engine !!! made from a little company in austria !!!
that was my first little engine - tuning !!
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