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posted October 29, 2007 06:42 AM
Shift forks shot as usual.
Gears have normal wear from what i see.
Depends on your goal.
If you are just fixing it to ride, replace the OEM gears and shift forks.
Get brocks shift shafts and put it back together, better than new.
If you want to race it alot or use big nitrous send it out for work.
cranks looks good , and that shavings you got were probable off the gears, also normal.
  
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KZScott
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posted October 29, 2007 01:48 PM
looking to hit 8.99 at ther track (0.52 to go) and drive it on the street a bit.
i will look into the shift shafts... why do i need them? how are they better?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
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ninja12
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posted October 29, 2007 06:56 PM
The stock shafts bend and stay bent on a mis-shift.
The brock shafts are suppose to flex a return to straight.
I don't think you need trans work but it won't hurt.
Swingarm, air shifter and a 60hp shot should do it.
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posted October 29, 2007 08:05 PM
i was sitting at about 7 over, going to max it out to the full 9 (4-9 over extensions), im strapped, lowered, fully muzzy pipe, pc3r, K&Ns, crank case vent mod, 17/51 gearing. will have an air shifter and a lock up for next season! maybe a big bore if i can find one cheap lol, or maybe a 40 shot dry. going to make the trans ready to handle lots of power/abuse from racing so i wont have to worry about it later on. my best pass would have been in the high 9.3_ range if i had of gotten my best 60' and second gear wasnt sliding in and out and grinding....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 29, 2007 08:21 PM
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can anyone comment on why 1 bolt hole was full of oil and the rest were dry?
I have to look at my bike to see why?
MM
these pics....
...have me confused lol. why is there oil in just one bolt hole?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 30, 2007 08:37 AM
Anything wrong with the cap?Put the cap down on a straight surface to see if there is a high spot.
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posted October 30, 2007 09:45 AM
i betcha its just some oil that dripped in there during disassembly.
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KZScott
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posted October 30, 2007 06:03 PM
ill check it out. hopefully its what Karl says. the oil i drained out of the motor was a lot clearer. so maybe it was just trapped in there
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted October 31, 2007 08:44 PM
more pics....
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 08, 2007 09:44 AM
recieved an email back from Bill Robinson:
" It looks a little banged up, but not bad. Install the billet gears, re cut the rest and you are good to go."
so should i send him my gears to be re cut, or should i just buy the billet parts and get someone else to cut them? (R&D? Fast by Gast?)
thx!
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 09, 2007 12:55 PM
those gears look like the ones in the 14. I wonder if their the same. I was thinking about using the taller 5th and 6th aftermarket gears for the 12 in my 14.
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posted November 10, 2007 12:18 AM
if anyone has zx14 gears lying around and wants to cover the shipping i could compare them to mine
is the re cut Bill Robinson is talking about the same as a race cut(back cut)? or is a race cut more involved?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2007 01:10 AM
KZ: do you ever sleep???
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posted November 10, 2007 09:37 AM
haha yeah, sometimes Karl. i seem to post at any and every time dont i? :P
I just had surgery on my shoulder a week ago, and when i sleep has been at random times lately. hey, if i cant do anything, i might aswell be on here trying to learn 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2007 05:53 PM
 Edited By: shiphteey on 10 Nov 2007 17:54
KZ, R&D did me right last winter/spring. I sent it out to FL after my trans kept popping out of gear in 3rd & 4th under WOT usage, nos or na. ZX-12s have GARBAGE transmission stock. I
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recommend you get it sent out to get undercut and replace the gears that are necessary. Billet gears will wear out much quicker if you're on the street. Billet gears are softer and can take a bigger hit because they bend, not break. But it takes quite a bit of HP to break a transmission. Many are running 300 ish HP w/no issues. I just don't wanna see you dropping $500 a gear when it isn't really needed, especially if all you're trying to do is go high 8s. You can do that w/a small dry shot and the stretch....YOU know that!
Mine was I think under $900, included replacing a gear or 2, nitrous shift drum, heavy duty circlips, undercutting the gears, etc. I'm happy with mine. Rarely mis-shift...except in the TX Mile Speed program...of course...since cameras were rolling.
R&D will go into the nitty gritty with you and explain WHY the trans sucks so much on the 12.
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posted November 10, 2007 07:48 PM
Same here Shiphteey
All of my transmission work goes to RD Motorsports here in FL.
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posted November 10, 2007 09:22 PM
well i paid $165 shipped for a low first from the cheese man (awesome deal, thx!) and Bill has the rest i need(2-4) for $220 each, or $575 for all 3. so $740 for billet 1-4 gears. nothing close to $500 a gear($2000)
Im going to have to give Mark a call after Bill emails me back.....
I have read about how weak the stock gears are after a race cut, so i dont really want to chance it, it doesnt get a lot of street duty anyway. I think ill be able to get 9.10-9.0_s with the stock motor (no spray)as i have an MTC 2 stage lock up for next yr to get the 60' way down. I know just the guy to talk to about how to set it up (right NOX? ) plus i want to make it bullet proof as I will be building it up power wise when i can afford it. my goal is a 1270 with nitrous this yr, and a 1347 stroker next yr with the same spray
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 18, 2007 10:55 PM
still waiting for a reply from Bill R. i might have to send him another msg if he doesnt get back to me tomorrow...
In the mean time, i temporarily bolted my cases back together so i could flip the motor over on the bench and tear down the top end. if filings got to the crank bearings(it sure looks that way from the scratches), i want everything apart and cleaned out! dont need a few missed pieces left in there to kill bearings.
this stuff is pretty easy with the manual i downloaded, but its my first time so im not too sure if what im seeing is normal or not lol.
first off, wtf is up with the head gasket??? the black stuff is just flaking off, and looks like some was just floating thru the coolant...
i think the head looks fine.....more of the black shit stuck to it....
ok, ARE MY VALVES SPRINGS STOCK?? i saw coloured ones on the APE site, are stock ones coloured too?????
cylinder lifted right off 
the dig cam batteries died after this, but i took the pistons off the rods and put them in their respective bores. good practise with compressing rings by hand i hope the higher compression JE pistons im getting go in this well (shhhh dont tell anyone!!!:P )
tomorrow im going to take it apart further, and try and clean out all the oil passages with brake cleaner(must go to cad tire to pick up 1 or 5 cans:P). after this is done and the clean part is waiting by itsself for reassembly, i know i shouldnt leave it dry. should i try wiping everything down with a wet(with fresh motor oil) rag or would a light coat of WD 40 be fine??
opinions?
thx!
(this stuff is fun, im starting to feel slightly like Karl lol)
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 19, 2007 07:44 AM
red and blue valve springs are stock.
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posted November 19, 2007 08:53 AM
go, KZ, GO!!!
strip all those peripherals off the motor, it'll make cleaning parts much easier, and BE 110% THOROUGH WHEN CLEANING STUFF.
I pulled my motor down to bearings on Sun am; hopefully have it back making noise on Fri/Sat. If this setup doesn't make some more hp, i will end this experiment.
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posted November 19, 2007 04:39 PM
KZscott that motor was pulling some oil in along with the A/F mixture.
Rings and new valve seals
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posted November 19, 2007 04:48 PM
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go, KZ, GO!!!
I pulled my motor down to bearings on Sun am; hopefully have it back making noise on Fri/Sat. If this setup doesn't make some more hp, i will end this experiment.
How much H.P. are you making now ?
If you need any help let me know good luck.
BTW
I will have Phantoms Ace Performance Zx12 1287 package a bit faster then our previous 205.6 MPH run our next race !
Making a few changes,but I am crazy like that and will not be satisfied
unless it goes 208 + mph at Maxton ALL MOTOR 1287cc
Sal.
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posted November 20, 2007 09:14 AM
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go, KZ, GO!!!
strip all those peripherals off the motor, it'll make cleaning parts much easier, and BE 110% THOROUGH WHEN CLEANING STUFF.
I pulled my motor down to bearings on Sun am; hopefully have it back making noise on Fri/Sat. If this setup doesn't make some more hp, i will end this experiment.
hows this?
btw if your spare 1427 isnt making the hp you need and are finished with it, you can ship it up to me and ill put it to good use:P ill even cover the shipping :P lol
making some progress. my "manual" sitting beside my upper case:P :
anyone remember how this goes back together? LOL
bearings dont look to great imo. SHOULD I REPLACE THE BLUES WITH A NEW SET OF BLUES? i dont think i have to do anything to the crank.... ill get more pis of that later....
washed this off in the parts washer, then blew it off with the air compressor, going to finish up with brake cleaner to make sure its clean!
will report back later with more pics and more than likely more questions
Sal, thx for the tip on the oil. will add valve seals to the build list
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 20, 2007 09:24 AM
Go new blue bearings.
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posted November 20, 2007 09:26 AM
@KZScott --- have the same work to do !!!!!!!!!!!
uuuuuugggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
yes !! would say old blue -------NEW BLUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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