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KZScott

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posted August 09, 2008 03:08 PM

been working on my tail and getting my undertail to fit it. the 6 inch tail is a lot different, and the undertail had to be trimmed on the sides to fit. im going to cut out the part thats dished up(for the tire originally) and make a new flat fiberglass section, or even dish it down for extra room since the tire is moved back and doesnt go up into the tail like a stock setup. (gotta hide some stuff in the extra space :P ) its not long enough for the 6 inch tail anyway.
i still have to make the bracket for the light, its just stuck in there for now. and some little things like making a mount for the key to unlock the seat. im going to copy the 10r setup and put it on the bottom for a cleaner look

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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 09, 2008 03:15 PM

What kind of 60 ft. times are you looking to get with your clutch, Scott?

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posted August 09, 2008 03:50 PM

mid to low 1.4s when its tuned correctly. might hit high 1.3s if im lucky, but ill probly need to get some better suspension first. the beauty of it is, all i need to do is pop the lever, so my lack of expirience launching is removed from the game.
congrats on your new best btw, 1.52 by hand is hard, and theres still lots left in your bike
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted August 09, 2008 03:59 PM

Racheal has a lock-up in her Turbo. The prior owner went low 1.5's stock wheelbase, just throwing the lever. I'm going to try to learn more about them this winter. I like the idea that once they are set for the rider, they don't need a lot of attention and are consistent.

Thanks for the congrats, I am working at it. I hope to see some consistent 1.4's by the end of the year....I would be very, very happy with that.

Shane

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posted August 15, 2008 05:32 PM

got a bit done to the tail. im not that great with fiberglass yet, but this should work pretty good. tons more room

the undertail was shaped like this.

i cut out the curved up section and used it as a mould closer to the front upside down for extra room. i dont need it curved up because im extended 8.5 inches

i still need to do a bit more with fiberglass(and then body fill), but thats the basic shape im going to try out

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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted August 16, 2008 04:08 PM

Scott, you went with the billet gears, right? I was just talking to r&d yesterday and Mark was explaining (again) what a crappy trans design the 12 is. I have one of their standard trans setups (undercut, drum mod, circlips).

Did you get a "life expectancy" on the billet gears? I know they are not as good for the street...

Shane

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posted August 16, 2008 04:33 PM

Yes I have all billet 1-4. i cant really remember if he said how long they would last, just that they wouldnt last as long as the brittle stock gears. i didnt really think it was a concearn though, if you are driving a lot, you tend to keep it in high gear to get better gas mileage. 5th and 6th are stock, so you are only using billet gears when you are starting and stopping, unless you do a lot of city driving.
imo
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted August 16, 2008 04:39 PM

That's a good point. Oddly enough, the only gear in my trans that needed replaced was 6th. I thought that was strange...

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posted August 16, 2008 04:51 PM

same as dads bike (excessive pad wear on 6th) it was a daily driver till we turned it into a slick n bar bike.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted August 16, 2008 11:01 PM

i was out playing with fiberglass again, should be finished and ready to body fill tomorrow. since dads bike was apart(easy mock up), i decided to make some brackets to hold the fogger nozzels above the stacks.

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posted August 17, 2008 11:50 AM

SWEEET...That`ll work Scott.....
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posted August 17, 2008 07:14 PM

Im looking forward to getting it working, ive never played with nitrous before. should be fun

got more done to the tail, its looking much better and is very functional. I have room for everything, and then some. I primered it after i put some bodyfill on it so i can see the rest of the imperfections. im just going to get it looking ok, its no show bike, its a go bike

and it wont really matter after the first burnout when its covered in melted shinko

all my electronics fit, the stock ecu fits nicely into the bottom, i have a muzzy bonny box, a schnitz kill box, EFIR (thanks Woppi!), a power commander, and the LMA 2 box for my datalogger. i mounted the 2 pound nitrous bottle, and i have a quart of RP in there to simulate my secondary fuel tank for the wet kit(still not 100% on what im going to use just yet). theres tons of room behind the "fuel tank" and N2O for the fuel pump. i could fit the stock tool kit back there too if i wanted :P
Im very happy with the extra room

not even touching the rear seat

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posted August 18, 2008 03:03 AM

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i see the efir arrived !!!
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posted August 18, 2008 06:14 PM

it had quite a trip! thx again

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posted August 23, 2008 11:18 PM

got the first coat of black paint on. i think it will look good for spraypaint :P ill get it colour matched later on when i have money to burn

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posted August 31, 2008 01:33 PM

Edited By: KZScott on 31 Aug 2008 14:39

Ok, had it to the track yesterday(just running on motor). had a few problems, and played around with the clutch. on a few of the clean passes the bike was going 1.8_ in the 60ft so i shimmed the springs and tried it. the bike wheelied and i hit the button for second gear allmost immediatly as i wasnt sure how it was going to react to more static. it probly would have been fine, but i my left thumb was being a whimp. it went 1.66 basically in second gear. next pass my problems were coming back, and i messed up the launch. im going to leave the clutch as is for next wknd, and see what happens. i was out working on the bike till 5 am to try to get ready for the track again today, but decided to finish later and sleep today instead.

problems.
1. not enough adjustment in the clutch cable
2. light mist of oil spraying out crank case vent when about 9000rpm and higher

1. had to try grabbing the lever differently or the bike would creep ahead on the line at launch rpm. stack height in spec with lock up, and cable not stretched (compared to a spare). going by the manual, the stack height was too high, but i cant drop it any due to the lock up. so in order to get the 60 degree angle (mine was allmost 90) i have to shim the cover out with extra gaskets, i made a shim out of some sheet tin(about as thick as a stock gasket) and siliconed that with another gasket behind the spacer and cases. i put 2 stock gaskets between the cover and spacer. now with the adjustment the same at the cover (all the way towards the front) i have about 1/4 inch of the threads screwed into the adjustment of the lever. i dont have the perfect 60 degrees on the puller, but its a bit closer, and everything works again.

2. is this because i didnt put the tube on the vent that normally goes into the oil pan? Karl, you dont have this in correct? is this mist of oil normal? i havent noticed a change in oil level on the sight glass. since i had this hose going to the valve cover last yr i wouldnt know if it was doing it then (Kleen air/ crankcase vent mod)
I want to evac the crank case to the exhaust to get that slight vaccum, but have been unable to find the appropriate check valve. last night in a last ditch effort i ran a longer hose up into the tail and wrapped rags around it in a last ditch effoert to make it able to run today....
i dont think its excessive blow by but i did gap my rings for nitrous as JC told me too. bike doesnt seem to be down on power as it was running 148mph in the 1/4

not the best pic, (taken with my phone)

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posted August 31, 2008 01:44 PM

Have you considered going back to a stock clutch setup, with heavy springs...at least until you get the rest of the bike dialed in? How many miles/passes since the rebuild?

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posted August 31, 2008 01:52 PM

no, i love the lock up, we had it pretty close with stock parts and the stuff that comes with the lock up, just starting over again tuning with the new springs and weights. i need practise too(my left thumb is scared of wheelies). thinking about getting a 2 step to take that driver error out of the launch too.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted August 31, 2008 01:54 PM

How much rpm are you launching with, and what is your w/b again? I am hoping to get to the track Friday...but they are calling for rain.

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posted August 31, 2008 02:08 PM

7500 rpm approx (need that 2 step) 8.5 over stock so about 65.5 inches
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted August 31, 2008 03:12 PM

Edited By: shane661 on 31 Aug 2008 16:15

I might be running right around 65" on Friday. I have two gearing options, not sure which I am going to use. I'm not sure I want any more wheelbase than I have...traction might become problematic.

Bike looks really good, btw. The wiring is a little scary looking, but if you know how it works, what the hell.

I like the way the tail section came out, nice and roomy too.

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posted August 31, 2008 03:41 PM

thx, yes the wiring is pretty all over the place lol but i know where everything goes, and whats what. its going to get redone this winter to clean it up. the old man was looking in the tail at the spiders web of wiring and goes " i dont know how you keep track of everything" :P i have it all wrapped in bubble wrap at the moment

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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted September 05, 2008 12:33 AM

ok, testing will begin tomorrow afternoon (actually later today since i was up all night working on the bike again) to see how the bike likes nitrous. if all is well im going to the track to try and get in a few passes in the evening.
nitrous thread here: http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=13&TID=41081&set_time=
everything fits, its a mess, but its going to work for now. im planning on relocating some of the electronics or maybe the fuel pump behind the bottle during the winter. ill also get an aluminum gas tank.

just a couple small things left. bolt on some weight to the front end and try to get my shift light working. i cut out two 3 pound pieces of steel plate that im bolting onto the forks. im using a longer set of bolts to go thru the plate and into the calipers. should be fine as these bolts are solid where the stock caliper bolts are hollow.
fixed the clutch issue by making a shim for the cover. after hearing about how Wolf uses his (no gaskets, just silicone and... something machined down 2mm) and having no special tools i grabbed a piece of 1/8 (about 3mm) sheet aluminum, traced out the cover, and cut it out with a jig saw. i sanded it a bit with 400 grit to make sure the silicone stuck. now i have roughly the correct angle on the puller rod, and i have lots of adjustment. im just using the 1/8 shim, no gaskets

got the ex check valve on. 99% sure it doesnt affect my wideband sensor, i put it about a foot downstream. so i should have about 1-2 more hp from that

http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?TID=41585&FID=13

i was playing with mapping a bit in the lower rpm range. got it much smoother, and not nearly as rich.(i actually had it able to idle as low as about 800rpm, but when the oil light flickered a couple times i bumped it to about 1250) i have a bunch of cells in the -25 range. i think its from the cam timing. my upper range of my map is in the +20 range. i worked on the 7000rpm area too and got that a bit smoother, so my launch will be more consistant as its easier to hold it at a constant rpm

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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos

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posted September 05, 2008 01:31 AM

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KZScott ------- don´t mount the nos fuel pump higher than the little fuel tank is !!!

the little black one -- is your fuel tank for the nos system ???

better to mount the pump below the level of the little tank !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why not mount a second output for the nos fuel pump ???? into the stock tank fuel pump ????

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posted September 05, 2008 01:34 AM

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mount the nos fuel pump there -------

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