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posted June 04, 2007 10:21 PM
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And a cop calls us citizens idiots.
...read my post carefully, idiot...
  
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posted June 04, 2007 10:24 PM
uhmmmm no coppah', I would but i don't deal with "authority" well :P
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posted June 04, 2007 10:27 PM
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After murdering one of "our own", they call us names.
yah, i just dont get it at all. maybe if i were a law enforcement officer id understand...
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posted June 04, 2007 10:29 PM
I gotta' crash, don't eat too many of those things!
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posted June 04, 2007 10:30 PM
Actually, have a great evenin'.
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posted June 04, 2007 10:36 PM
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After murdering one of "our own", they call us names.
...yeah, it us against you and your "own"...we go out and kill sportbikers and call you idiots  ....and I'm a bad bad cop...no donuts for me
...and I'm held to a "higher standard" as fish likes to say....higher standard?...here?...at the smackhouse?...hell my shit is higher standard than some of the shit I read here! 
...remember: I have no jurisdiction here, no police powers at all...I'm just one of you, just another smackster...I just know my line of work and its related features in real life like Rob and Kerry know exhaust...
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posted June 04, 2007 10:40 PM
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....and the village idiot has spoken ...have you ever done jury duty?...I'd hate to have someone with your mentality in the jury pool 
I think we feel the same about you in the "GENE" pool. :P
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posted June 05, 2007 03:15 AM
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...stevefl...you need to read up on case law about pursuits involving suspects actions and LEOs reactions to suspect actions... (there...I wrote it so that you can understand it)...I'd dig up a few cases for you but I want you to earn it by looking it up yourself ...
...in short, oftentimes the suspect will be charged for a person's death or injury if it can be proved that the suspects actions initiated the event.....
My point. In this case the officer not only made chase, he didn't "back-off" instead of putting lives in danger. He is there to protect the public, not kill the public over chasin a motorcycle.
And I don't need to read case points, legal or not the cop is a murderer, his ego was his weapon.
....and the village idiot has spoken ...where does it say in the news article, let alone an official investigation that the cop "didn't back off"?...and where does it say in any article or official investigation that the cops is a murderer?...and where has it been proven that the cop's ego was his weapon?...have you ever done jury duty?...I'd hate to have someone with your mentality in the jury pool ...c'mon, you're smarter than that...on second thought, maybe not...
...ok...you're all fucking idiots because every sportbiker I see act like idiots...so that only leads me to believe that you're all fucking idiots on sportbikes...now does that even make sense?..of course not!
...I guess the biggest difference between any of us is that I and other cops are willing to look at things objectively (works well in our line of work, btw) and some of you can only see things subjectively based on your bad experiences with some cops with bad attitudes and questionable professionalism...and its usually because you were caught speeding of all things and you didn't think you deserved the ticket and directed the cop to go catch real criminals
how can you say that you're being objective here when it's very likely that that officer was involved in a pursuit that was unlawful according to the that counties policy?
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posted June 05, 2007 05:29 AM
yanno.... its a "cop" thing we wouldn't understand :P
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posted June 05, 2007 06:24 AM
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...one thing's for sure: the biker was speeding on a crowded roadway and a cop tried to stop it, crashed into an innocent car and people were killed and injured...
WormHole, going by your go where the evidence leads, how do we know there was a bike at all, that it's not just a lie made up to cover a really dumb move on the part of the officer involved in the crash?
Until the investigative reports are released, it for sure isn't for sure that there was a bike at all, never mind what the rider was doing. They said they were examining dashcam tapes, going on six days later there's no bike or biker that has been found, that's the only thing I know for sure.
That a speeding biker didn't get cellphoned on the Beltway seems a bit odd to me, too, but that's getting into conjecture, for all I know they have a description and a plate number that was called in and they are just waiting for the new batons to be delivered before they go beat him to a pulp as they arrest him.
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posted June 05, 2007 06:52 AM
+1 ON ALL POINTS MADE IN ABOVE POST!
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posted June 05, 2007 07:01 AM
Exactly Tinhead, and at 7pm the traffic had to be heavy making it impossible to catch a bike.
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posted June 05, 2007 07:07 AM
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...one thing's for sure: the biker was speeding on a crowded roadway and a cop tried to stop it, crashed into an innocent car and people were killed and injured...
WormHole, going by your go where the evidence leads, how do we know there was a bike at all, that it's not just a lie made up to cover a really dumb move on the part of the officer involved in the crash?
Until the investigative reports are released, it for sure isn't for sure that there was a bike at all, never mind what the rider was doing. They said they were examining dashcam tapes, going on six days later there's no bike or biker that has been found, that's the only thing I know for sure.
That a speeding biker didn't get cellphoned on the Beltway seems a bit odd to me, too, but that's getting into conjecture, for all I know they have a description and a plate number that was called in and they are just waiting for the new batons to be delivered before they go beat him to a pulp as they arrest him.
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posted June 05, 2007 08:00 AM
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...sounds like an empirical statement, ted... where did you get your information to make such a statement?...or is that your guess based on what you've read so far and your expert knowledge of cop psychology?...
...if you had written "I think the cop was in over his head, he may not have had the skills or the common sense to even try to chase that bike. Safety first, the most dangerious person on the road may have been that cop if he let his ego get the best of him.", I'd be more apt to respect your words...
... but you wrote, "The cop was in over his head, he didn't have the skills or the common sense to even try to chase that bike. Safety first, the most dangerious person on the road was that cop with that ego of his." as if you already know the cop's background and his psychological make-up and you're a mind-reader and you knew what the cop was thinking during the incident...
...and what do you think about the speeding biker who was involved in this event?...faultless?...just "one of us having fun on his sportbike?"...do tell...
...what I'd like to know is how long the duration of the incident was because when it comes right down to it, it is a motorist's lawful obligation and responsibility to stop when he/she is being lawfully signaled to stop PERIOD...
...would it make a difference for you if the biker caused an innocent motorist to crash while he evaded police instead and if the cop ended the pursuit prior to the crash due to traffic conditions?...and if that happened, would you still jump to condemn the cop for giving a short effort or do you condemn the biker who continued to speed even after the cop terminated his pursuit because he wasn't sure if the cops were still after him?...
...discuss...
The reason I said it the way I said it was because the cop did cause the accident. Just like any of us riding over our heads and can't make a maneuver. The biker was an asshole, I don't defend him in the slightest. But the cop couldn't chase him without endangering the people he had sworn to protect. All he needed to do was use the radio, there are plenty of ways to slow a speeding biker. Traffic cops take themselves too seriously and have egos that make Max Biaggi look timid. If that cop had the skills and the common sense necessary he would have realized that in that kind of traffic you can't keep up with a bike. But instead he chose to try to chase down a speeder and in the process ended up killing innocents because of an ego the size of Texas.
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posted June 05, 2007 08:09 AM
Worm, I ride with 3 policeman Park Police, DC Police and 1 PGC Policeman. The DC Policeman I was best man at his wedding and he was best man at mine. SO do not tell me I do not know them or put all in the same basket! I have spoken to 2 of them and they both said that this was the Policeman's fault with the "Possible" Cause the Biker. Here in Washington there is even some discussion that he was even trying to chase the Biker now!
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posted June 05, 2007 09:24 AM
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...one thing's for sure: the biker was speeding on a crowded roadway and a cop tried to stop it, crashed into an innocent car and people were killed and injured...
WormHole, going by your go where the evidence leads, how do we know there was a bike at all, that it's not just a lie made up to cover a really dumb move on the part of the officer involved in the crash?
Until the investigative reports are released, it for sure isn't for sure that there was a bike at all, never mind what the rider was doing. They said they were examining dashcam tapes, going on six days later there's no bike or biker that has been found, that's the only thing I know for sure.
That a speeding biker didn't get cellphoned on the Beltway seems a bit odd to me, too, but that's getting into conjecture, for all I know they have a description and a plate number that was called in and they are just waiting for the new batons to be delivered before they go beat him to a pulp as they arrest him.
...and I agree on one thing: ...how can any of us make imperical statements about what happened?...we weren't there...we're not the investigating team...so why do we continue to have knuckleheads condemn the cop whether there was a bike or not?...
...its the same as asking how can anyone, especially non-sportbike riders, condemn sportbike riders just because they had a sportbiker do something stupid close to them once upon a time...sportbikers are the some of the biggest self-righteous whiners when it comes to condemning them....and to their credit some of them are also the biggest advocates for intelligent fast riding riding ie. track schools, racing on the track, etc...
...that's what I try to convey in my posts when I try to present both sides...objectivity...but just because I'm a cop and have a bit of sarcasm thrown in for flavor some people think I have a hidden agenda or something and can't see past their subjective opinions of cops even when I'm being objective and sharing MY observations...
...I'll be the first to condemn bad LEOs and police actions and I think I've proven stance that in past posts...and I'll also be the staunchest advocate and defender of good LEOs and good police work in the face of whining crybabies who have entitlement issues...
...if the cop intentionally did something wrong based on his ego and it can be proven as such, he's done, biker or not...and its not my intention to be trite about the lives lost, but if the cop had an unfortunate accident within the scope of his duties, he will be defended by the department and the department will probably settle the wrongful-death civil suit out of court ... and it could cost them MILLIONS...
...hell anyone can guess what might have happened that evening if they go by what the media writes/broadcasts...but NOBODY (except the LEOs who were involved in the incident) can definitely say what happened until the investigation is over, providing the investigation is conducted in a transparent manner....
...the bottom line for me to some of you knuckleheads is this: you don't like being judged negatively too quickly for the actions of others...well...neither do cops
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posted June 05, 2007 09:48 AM
Other than being "Black" no one even knows that it was a sport bike! Any bike (Well maybe the big Harleys) can go over 100 MPH and it could have been a New Gold WIng or even a V Rod or a Black ZRX. I want to see the camera Video on the "Black Bike".
Back in the day I always had a WHite Helmet because very few were painted. Now I have a Painted helmet because very few are white or Black. Let us first see if there was a Bike and then what Kind it was! After that, let us see how they treat the Police Officer who hit the Pick up truck which is un-disputed!
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posted June 05, 2007 11:34 AM
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Worm, I ride with 3 policeman Park Police, DC Police and 1 PGC Policeman. The DC Policeman I was best man at his wedding and he was best man at mine. SO do not tell me I do not know them or put all in the same basket! I have spoken to 2 of them and they both said that this was the Policeman's fault with the "Possible" Cause the Biker. Here in Washington there is even some discussion that he was even trying to chase the Biker now!
...VH...knowing cops or being the best man at a wedding doesn't get anyone into the a cop's head...only cops doing the work of cops know how a cop feels or what he/she does...fair?....and how did your cop friends come to the conclusion that it was the cop's fault?...as silly as it may seem to those who are watching it on the sidelines, the investigation has to sort out contributing factors before they place ultimate blame and then at what perecentage...well, at least that's how we do it in California...or are traffic collision investigations more thorough in Calif. vs Maryland or DC?
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posted June 05, 2007 11:40 AM
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...stevefl...you need to read up on case law about pursuits involving suspects actions and LEOs reactions to suspect actions... (there...I wrote it so that you can understand it)...I'd dig up a few cases for you but I want you to earn it by looking it up yourself ...
yeah steve, you got some learning to do before you conversate with the almighty Officer Worm. you gotta work and EARN knowledge just to talk to Wormie, so start gettin your study on dude.
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...in short, oftentimes the suspect will be charged for a person's death or injury if it can be proved that the suspects actions initiated the event...what, do you think cops intentionally go out there to break the law and kill innocent people?
OWNED! come on, everyone knows all cops are stable level-headed individuals.
here are some of Officer Wormies boys in action, circa L.A. 1991.
poor rodney caught it bad for not pulling over immediately.
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....seriously...no smartass answers needed or you'll make yourself look really stupid...again...
absolutely no smart-ass replies will be accepted by officer worm. dont wanna look stupid infront of everyone for having your own opinion, ya know. im sure Officer Wormie would be more than happy to make an example out of you.
ive been following this thread for a while now, its pretty disgusting how condescending worm is, and how aggressive he gets if anyone expresses an opinion other than his own. anyway, these cops would be thoroughly fucked if they did this shit around my area. did anyone even consider the fact that the motorcyclist might have been scared shitless?
...you're easy, scotty....now shut the fuck up unless you have something worthwhile to contribute...owned?...the only owning that's being done here is me owning my own words...and proudly, too...but let's not make this thead about me AGAIN, shall we?
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posted June 05, 2007 11:44 AM
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. Let us first see if there was a Bike and then what Kind it was! After that, let us see how they treat the Police Officer who hit the Pick up truck which is un-disputed!
...finally...a post that makes sense (besides my own )...good obs, VH 
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posted June 05, 2007 11:45 AM
"yeah steve, you got some learning to do before you conversate with the almighty Officer Worm. you gotta work and EARN knowledge just to talk to Wormie, so start gettin your study on dude"
an officer, po-po, type raising the topic "knowledge" is the fackin' funniest thing I've ever heard LMFAO 
OK now back to a more serious note, has the murdering cop that this thread topic is about been arrested, or is he still acting a bully in the doughnut shops?
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posted June 05, 2007 11:49 AM
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Worm, I ride with 3 policeman Park Police, DC Police and 1 PGC Policeman. The DC Policeman I was best man at his wedding and he was best man at mine. SO do not tell me I do not know them or put all in the same basket! I have spoken to 2 of them and they both said that this was the Policeman's fault with the "Possible" Cause the Biker. Here in Washington there is even some discussion that he was even trying to chase the Biker now!
...that would make sense especially if the bike was so far ahead of the cruiser that no one on the freeway except the cop trying to catch up or pursue (if that's what he was doing) made the connection...
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posted June 05, 2007 11:52 AM
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"yeah steve, you got some learning to do before you conversate with the almighty Officer Worm. you gotta work and EARN knowledge just to talk to Wormie, so start gettin your study on dude"
an officer, po-po, type raising the topic "knowledge" is the fackin' funniest thing I've ever heard LMFAO
OK now back to a more serious note, has the murdering cop that this thread topic is about been arrested, or is he still acting a bully in the doughnut shops?
...you're looking more stupid with each subsequent post...fucking with me?....nah, you're fucking with yourself, juicebox-boy......
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posted June 05, 2007 11:52 AM
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Worm, I ride with 3 policeman Park Police, DC Police and 1 PGC Policeman. The DC Policeman I was best man at his wedding and he was best man at mine. SO do not tell me I do not know them or put all in the same basket! I have spoken to 2 of them and they both said that this was the Policeman's fault with the "Possible" Cause the Biker. Here in Washington there is even some discussion that he was even trying to chase the Biker now!
...that would make sense especially if the bike was so far ahead of the cruiser that no one on the freeway except the cop trying to catch up or pursue (if that's what he was doing) made the connection...
you're again referring to the cop that killed the folks?
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posted June 05, 2007 11:55 AM
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Worm, I ride with 3 policeman Park Police, DC Police and 1 PGC Policeman. The DC Policeman I was best man at his wedding and he was best man at mine. SO do not tell me I do not know them or put all in the same basket! I have spoken to 2 of them and they both said that this was the Policeman's fault with the "Possible" Cause the Biker. Here in Washington there is even some discussion that he was even trying to chase the Biker now!
...that would make sense especially if the bike was so far ahead of the cruiser that no one on the freeway except the cop trying to catch up or pursue (if that's what he was doing) made the connection...
you're again referring to the cop that killed the folks?
...you're clueless, bobohead...figure it out for yourself...or are you truely THAT stupid?
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