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posted June 04, 2007 08:28 PM
 Edited By: worm~hole on 4 Jun 2007 21:41
...sounds like an empirical statement, ted... where did you get your information to make such a statement?...or is that your guess based on what you've read so far and your expert knowledge of cop psychology?...
...if you had written "I think the cop was in over his head, he may not have had the skills or the common sense to even try to chase that bike. Safety first, the most dangerious person on the road may have been that cop if he let his ego get the best of him.", I'd be more apt to respect your words...
... but you wrote, "The cop was in over his head, he didn't have the skills or the common sense to even try to chase that bike. Safety first, the most dangerious person on the road was that cop with that ego of his." as if you already know the cop's background and his psychological make-up and you're a mind-reader and you knew what the cop was thinking during the incident...
...and what do you think about the speeding biker who was involved in this event?...faultless?...just "one of us having fun on his sportbike?"...do tell...
...what I'd like to know is how long the duration of the incident was because when it comes right down to it, it is a motorist's lawful obligation and responsibility to stop when he/she is being lawfully signaled to stop PERIOD...
...would it make a difference for you if the biker caused an innocent motorist to crash while he evaded police instead and if the cop ended the pursuit prior to the crash due to traffic conditions?...and if that happened, would you still jump to condemn the cop for giving a short effort or do you condemn the biker who continued to speed even after the cop terminated his pursuit because he wasn't sure if the cops were still after him?...
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posted June 04, 2007 08:43 PM
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the most dangerious person on the road was that cop with that ego of his.
+1 thats been my point all along too.
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posted June 04, 2007 08:52 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 4 Jun 2007 21:53
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the most dangerious person on the road was that cop with that ego of his.
+1 thats been my point all along too.
....really?...please indicate the references of where the two of you got the information to substantiate your conclusion that the ego of THAT cop during THAT incident was involved...and please present it in an intelligent and believable manner...
...there's a lesson in here somewhere 
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posted June 04, 2007 09:06 PM
look in the first thread and you will see the proof. Hopefully they lock this cop up before he gets more folks killed with his ego. I'll quote the article. Although several key point offer the proof, this one is most glaring:
"The accident was set in motion about 7 p.m. when a Prince George's police cruiser chasing the motorcycle on the outer loop"
This is what the cop did with his ego to innocent folks:
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posted June 04, 2007 09:11 PM
I wish i did know all the details of this incedent but it does compare with one i have had althought no accidents 
there was a large traffic blocking accident on a local bridge and becuase i was on a bike i was able to eventually get through......knowing that there should be at least 5 miles of open road i just opened her up :P
less than 3/4 of a mile down the road a cop was sitting at the side of the road and by the time i saw him it was to late i passed him really fast 200kph+ but looking in my mirror didnt see any lights so just went on my marry way ..... the second exit possible i pull off to get gas and HELLO four cruisers are hunting me down. i saw the lights and i stopped. i got arrested with much laughter from the senior members becuase the rookie had been trying to chase me the whole time and wrecked his cruiser........the judge was mad at me for riding that fast with such poor tires and told the rookie who started the pursuit that he would be serving behind a desk until such a time that he was properly able to assess his abilities....
so wormie your a cop and thats ok but why are you assuming that the biker realized what had happened ? why are you taking the comments to the opposite extreme ?
HEY cops are people to
i work with them sometimes guess what they are just a suseptable to poor life choices as the rest of us........this cop in this situation MAY have made a poor choice based on his skills and attitude in life at that moment 
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posted June 04, 2007 09:12 PM
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look in the first thread and you will see the proof. Hopefully they lock this cop up before he gets more folks killed with his ego. I'll quote the article. Although several key point offer the proof, this one is most glaring:
"The accident was set in motion about 7 p.m. when a Prince George's police cruiser chasing the motorcycle on the outer loop"
This is what the cop did with his ego to innocent folks:
...where in the report does it say ego was involved?...
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posted June 04, 2007 09:15 PM
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...what I'd like to know is how long the duration of the incident was because when it comes right down to it, it is a motorist's lawful obligation and responsibility to stop when he/she is being lawfully signaled to stop PERIOD...
did the biker even know he was being chased ???
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posted June 04, 2007 09:17 PM
report, mcsnort who the fook needs a stinking report? he sent a car airborn into the opposite side of the freeway killing both occupants and injuring a dozen others. do you still think a judge is going to feel sorry for this leo? that's where the fish are biting in the upcoming law suits.
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posted June 04, 2007 09:21 PM
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...would it make a difference for you if the biker caused an innocent motorist to crash while he evaded police instead and if the cop ended the pursuit prior to the crash due to traffic conditions?...and if that happened, would you still jump to condemn the cop for giving a short effort or do you condemn the biker who continued to speed even after the cop terminated his pursuit because he wasn't sure if the cops were still after him?...
YOUR CORRECT we would NOT be talking about cops but instead blaming the accident on some fucking squid, dam busa rider, or freaking R1 wanna be guy who doesnt know what riding is all about......
Then becuase we wouldn't know much about him we would all assume he was some idiot kid not wearing a helmut but instead haveing flip flops and a wife beater on......
And then I am sure the debate would come up about rider training and why squids are actaully allowed to buy these over powered bikes.....
At some point i would definately state that the accident cuaseing rider was french and that this was the sole factor in his stupidity of cuaseing such a crash :P
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posted June 04, 2007 09:23 PM
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...would it make a difference for you if the biker caused an innocent motorist to crash while he evaded police instead and if the cop ended the pursuit prior to the crash due to traffic conditions?...and if that happened, would you still jump to condemn the cop for giving a short effort or do you condemn the biker who continued to speed even after the cop terminated his pursuit because he wasn't sure if the cops were still after him?...
YOUR CORRECT we would NOT be talking about cops but instead blaming the accident on some fucking squid, dam busa rider, or freaking R1 wanna be guy who doesnt know what riding is all about......
Then becuase we wouldn't know much about him we would all assume he was some idiot kid not wearing a helmut but instead haveing flip flops and a wife beater on......
And then I am sure the debate would come up about rider training and why squids are actaully allowed to buy these over powered bikes.....
At some point i would definately state that the accident cuaseing rider was french and that this was the sole factor in his stupidity of cuaseing such a crash :P
+1 don't hear too many stories (if any?) about a bike crashing into a car and causing injuries to the car occupants
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posted June 04, 2007 09:31 PM
For the sake of the public's safety, this cop needs to be locked up before he is allowed to kill again.
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posted June 04, 2007 09:31 PM
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posted June 04, 2007 09:35 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 4 Jun 2007 22:39
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I wish i did know all the details of this incedent but it does compare with one i have had althought no accidents
there was a large traffic blocking accident on a local bridge and becuase i was on a bike i was able to eventually get through......knowing that there should be at least 5 miles of open road i just opened her up :P
less than 3/4 of a mile down the road a cop was sitting at the side of the road and by the time i saw him it was to late i passed him really fast 200kph+ but looking in my mirror didnt see any lights so just went on my marry way ..... the second exit possible i pull off to get gas and HELLO four cruisers are hunting me down. i saw the lights and i stopped. i got arrested with much laughter from the senior members becuase the rookie had been trying to chase me the whole time and wrecked his cruiser........the judge was mad at me for riding that fast with such poor tires and told the rookie who started the pursuit that he would be serving behind a desk until such a time that he was properly able to assess his abilities....
so wormie your a cop and thats ok but why are you assuming that the biker realized what had happened ? why are you taking the comments to the opposite extreme ?
HEY cops are people to
i work with them sometimes guess what they are just a suseptable to poor life choices as the rest of us........this cop in this situation MAY have made a poor choice based on his skills and attitude in life at that moment
...same reason why some folk are quick to jump to condemn the cop who crashed his cruiser...and if you got back and re-read some of my posts carefully and without emotion, you'll see that I've presented a few questions that any defense attorney worth his salt would ask IF his biker client was was caught and brought to trial at a later time....
...so...am I on the biker's side?...if he knowingly and intentionally evaded the cops, of course not...if he didn't know he was being signaled to stop, I'd still be pissed because his speeding actions compelled the cop to take law enforcement actions and a horrific incident occurred...
...am I on the cop's side?...if he chose to continue the pursuit in spite of the heavy traffic pattern, of course not...we terminate pursuits all the time for this very reason...yet speeders continue and sometimes crash solo or crash into innocents on their own...
...let's not forget that innocent people were killed and hurt as the result if this incident....and that's the worse part of it all ...me?....I'll wait for the results of the investigation before I make my mind up about this...one thing's for sure: the biker was speeding on a crowded roadway and a cop tried to stop it, crashed into an innocent car and people were killed and injured...
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posted June 04, 2007 09:38 PM
Edited By: stevewfl on 4 Jun 2007 22:38
The fact is a cop killed some folks. Not a biker, not a terrorist, not a school child. Now, can we see the truth or not?
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posted June 04, 2007 09:40 PM
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...let's not forget that innocent people were killed and hurt as the result if this incident....and that's the worse part of it all ...
yes plus a bizzion on that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted June 04, 2007 09:49 PM
...stevefl...you need to read up on case law about pursuits involving suspects actions and LEOs reactions to suspect actions... (there...I wrote it so that you can understand it)...I'd dig up a few cases for you but I want you to earn it by looking it up yourself ...
...in short, oftentimes the suspect will be charged for a person's death or injury if it can be proved that the suspects actions initiated the event...what, do you think cops intentionally go out there to break the law and kill innocent people?....seriously...no smartass answers needed or you'll make yourself look really stupid...again...
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posted June 04, 2007 10:02 PM
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+1 don't hear too many stories (if any?) about a bike crashing into a car and causing injuries to the car occupants
...it happens although I do not know at what frequency...I'd be great if we could get data from Russ Brown or some other official entity that would have such data...
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posted June 04, 2007 10:02 PM
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...stevefl...you need to read up on case law about pursuits involving suspects actions and LEOs reactions to suspect actions... (there...I wrote it so that you can understand it)...I'd dig up a few cases for you but I want you to earn it by looking it up yourself ...
...in short, oftentimes the suspect will be charged for a person's death or injury if it can be proved that the suspects actions initiated the event.....
My point. In this case the officer not only made chase, he didn't "back-off" instead of putting lives in danger. He is there to protect the public, not kill the public over chasin a motorcycle.
And I don't need to read case points, legal or not the cop is a murderer, his ego was his weapon.
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posted June 04, 2007 10:05 PM
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...where in the report does it say ego was involved?...
Where in the report does it say the biker robbed a wife and child and used a sportbike to get away? lol You used that scenario right? You're assuming, just like we're assuming EGO on the cop.
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posted June 04, 2007 10:05 PM
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...stevefl...you need to read up on case law about pursuits involving suspects actions and LEOs reactions to suspect actions... (there...I wrote it so that you can understand it)...I'd dig up a few cases for you but I want you to earn it by looking it up yourself ...
yeah steve, you got some learning to do before you conversate with the almighty Officer Worm. you gotta work and EARN knowledge just to talk to Wormie, so start gettin your study on dude.
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...in short, oftentimes the suspect will be charged for a person's death or injury if it can be proved that the suspects actions initiated the event...what, do you think cops intentionally go out there to break the law and kill innocent people?
OWNED! come on, everyone knows all cops are stable level-headed individuals.
here are some of Officer Wormies boys in action, circa L.A. 1991.
poor rodney caught it bad for not pulling over immediately.
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....seriously...no smartass answers needed or you'll make yourself look really stupid...again...
absolutely no smart-ass replies will be accepted by officer worm. dont wanna look stupid infront of everyone for having your own opinion, ya know. im sure Officer Wormie would be more than happy to make an example out of you.
ive been following this thread for a while now, its pretty disgusting how condescending worm is, and how aggressive he gets if anyone expresses an opinion other than his own. anyway, these cops would be thoroughly fucked if they did this shit around my area. did anyone even consider the fact that the motorcyclist might have been scared shitless?
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posted June 04, 2007 10:06 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 4 Jun 2007 23:19
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...stevefl...you need to read up on case law about pursuits involving suspects actions and LEOs reactions to suspect actions... (there...I wrote it so that you can understand it)...I'd dig up a few cases for you but I want you to earn it by looking it up yourself ...
...in short, oftentimes the suspect will be charged for a person's death or injury if it can be proved that the suspects actions initiated the event.....
My point. In this case the officer not only made chase, he didn't "back-off" instead of putting lives in danger. He is there to protect the public, not kill the public over chasin a motorcycle.
And I don't need to read case points, legal or not the cop is a murderer, his ego was his weapon.
....and the village idiot has spoken  ...where does it say in the news article, let alone an official investigation that the cop "didn't back off"?...and where does it say in any article or official investigation that the cops is a murderer?...and where has it been proven that the cop's ego was his weapon?...have you ever done jury duty?...I'd hate to have someone with your mentality in the jury pool  ...c'mon, you're smarter than that...on second thought, maybe not...
...ok...you're all fucking idiots because every sportbiker I see act like idiots...so that only leads me to believe that you're all fucking idiots on sportbikes...now does that even make sense?..of course not!
...I guess the biggest difference between any of us is that I and other cops are willing to look at things objectively (works well in our line of work, btw) and some of you can only see things subjectively based on your bad experiences with some cops with bad attitudes and questionable professionalism...and its usually because you were caught speeding of all things and you didn't think you deserved the ticket and directed the cop to go catch real criminals
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posted June 04, 2007 10:07 PM
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....and the village idiot has spoken ...have you ever done jury duty?...I'd hate to have someone with your mentality in the jury pool
I think we feel the same about you in the "GENE" pool. :P
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posted June 04, 2007 10:11 PM
And a cop calls us citizens idiots.
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posted June 04, 2007 10:12 PM
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After murdering one of "our own", they call us names.
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posted June 04, 2007 10:15 PM
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After murdering one of "our own", they call us names.
yah, i just dont get it at all. maybe if i were a law enforcement officer id understand...
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