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posted January 11, 2002 07:50 AM
What oil are you using with your bore kit?
I've heard different opinions about synthec vs standard oils????? Some use standard oils while others use synthecs( spelling) I personally use synthec oil in the bikes with 13,000 trouble free miles (knock on wood) IE... drag strip, round trip from Michigan to Deals Gap etc.. I can't remember where I read that if you install a bore kit that you shouldn't use synthec oil in the engine???? Anyone know anything about this?
If you change the oil on a regular bases like I do, how can synthecs harm an engine with or without a bore kit?
  
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posted January 11, 2002 08:03 AM
The guys who are not using synthetic oils are from the stone age. It vastly outperforms conventional oils. Mobile1 for me in all my high performance vehicles with no oil related failures to date.
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posted January 11, 2002 08:04 AM
Good synthetic oils are superior lubricants. They last longer, resist temperature degradation, and lubricate better. You can easily offset the added cost with fewer changes. I know of no reason why you would not use one. There is SOME difference of opinion on whether you can break in on a synthetic. I've done both and I have had oil guys say it is no problem. My personal habit is to break in on a petro oil just because I like to do a couple of quick changes to flush the engine clean and there is no reason to waste the good stuff. Since 1989 my personal favorite has been the Motul 300V. I've seen it do some incredible things as far as getting hot and keeping alive some pretty badly damaged parts.
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kzz1
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posted January 11, 2002 08:21 AM
Thanks Doug! I ask you a question in my other topic. Hope you can help out?
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posted January 11, 2002 12:51 PM
I have a relevant synthetic question: I bought 3 qts of Alisyn <0W synthetic for my ZRX, but know at least one tuner who feels it is too thin, and mixes it with heaver synthetic. To me this defeats the purpose. Should I worry about using very low viscosity synthetic in my 160hp motor? The bike is used 80% at the track. It has non-synthetic in it now, as it was just rebuilt, but I had planned on putting in the Alisyn at the dyno in a few weeks. I had used Mobil 1 0W prior to the rebuild with no trouble.
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posted January 11, 2002 01:20 PM
A friend of mine has a pretty stout small block dodge and runs 0 wieght Mobile 1 in it with no problems for a few years. I like a little viscosity myself.
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posted January 11, 2002 02:44 PM
I have 6 bottles of the Alisyn Oil 0 weight, 4 sale, $10 ea. also, i just dont like synthetic oil. man I have not had any luck with it. IMHO. I believe that it smokes clutches faster then standard oil. but then again I smoke them quick either way. The best Oil that I have found so far in the last two years is Kendall, now I know it is a car Oil. but Gary Clark uses it and I have tried it and It works. Im going to Try Royal Purple oil with my new motor and see what it is like. if I dont like it I will be going back to Kendall 10w-30w. call me crazy, but I have not seen any problems with it ever and the inside of my motor looks great!
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posted January 11, 2002 03:19 PM
the guy who built my motor put in Belray EXL 20/50, after 500 mi I changed to Motul semi-syn. I was using Motul 300 fukk syn, but I change the oil about every few hundred mi ( every 2nd or 3rd clutch) so I figured semisyn was as good as full syn... Why???? I have no rationale; just do it. 
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posted January 12, 2002 10:03 AM
Mike,
We use a very light weight Motul 300V in the shootout bike and I can assure you that clutch gets slipped ALOT. I don't think the synthetic is in any way detrimental to clutch life.
The blends are compromise oils to offer a less expensive product with some advantages of the full synthetic. While on the subject of oils, why do people use these strange brands? (Alisyn, Amsoil, etc.) This never ceases to amaze me. Do you really think that these small companies can comeup with a better product than a large multi national company, rich in R&D resources, that gets feed back from all sorts of high end professional racing teams? I just don't get it.
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posted January 12, 2002 01:07 PM
I agree Doug. Did you see that article about the quality of oils and oil filters? It was more geared towards cars, but it was very informative. I'll see if I can find it again and post a link.
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posted January 12, 2002 01:32 PM
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synthetic royal purple
i have been using synthetics in all my motorcycles for over 10 years. mobil 1 and motul 300v depending on the bike. i won a case of royal purple full synthetic at the daytona dyno shootout last year and replaced the mobil 1 in my honda xx with it. the bike definately shifts easier with the royal purple than the mobil 1. i had never heard of royal purple before recieving the free case in daytona so i checked around and some of my car friends who drag race have and they swear by the stuff. the folks at jeggs reccomend royal purple for the pro stock car motors they build. personally i agree with doug, its hard to believe small specialty manufacturers have the r&d resourses to match the major oil companies. does anyone know anything about royal purple oil.
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posted January 12, 2002 02:02 PM
Supposed to be really good stuff. Expensive...
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posted January 12, 2002 03:39 PM
Doug,
I bought the Alisyn <0W after talking with a dyno operator (Jeff at HP Cycles in Lake City, FL) and looking at before/after dyno graphs showing a 2hp gain using Alisyn over 5W30 nonsynthetic. He had tried the same before/after tests with Mobil 1 and showed no gain. That and it's got a really neat label with a naked chick on it.
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posted January 12, 2002 04:15 PM
Naked chick on the label? Sounds like the oil for me!
Royal Purple is pretty popular with dirt trackers also. It was supposedly used secretly by some top NASCAR teams to get an edge up. They're also big into industrial lubricants. That's a decent size market where performance counts. I work in a heavy industrial environment and we've tried all kinds of oils, lots of them free to compare temps, wear over the long haul. Lot's of them don't always deliver the lower temps or less wear as promised but sometimes they do. We've never found a brand that did it all. 99% of our problems are contamination related and have little to do with the brand of oil. Some of the brands we've stuck with for certain pieces of equipment come from micro refineries. Actually, lots of them buy their base oil and add there own package to it much like gasoline.
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posted January 13, 2002 07:23 AM
Doug, the reason that I bought the alisyn oil, was due to marketing, from them, and someone had posted the HP gain like ZRXDean, so I thought what the heck! and the guy Guarenteed me that this was better then sliced bread! and he even told me he would take it back if it didnt work for me, well It did not work, but shipping it back would have cost to much. and they would have probably hasseled me about it. so I still have 6 bottles 4 sale "DEAN" if anyone is interested. and I know doug you told me last year to use that,but I never got to try it yet! Im going to do the Royle Purple thing first, then I might give it a try..thanks
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posted January 13, 2002 07:02 PM
Thanks for the offer Mike, but I'm all set for now. Congrats for securing Interstate for a second year of sponsorship, that's excellent. And speaking of sponsors, does anyone remember if the Muzzy team has an oil sponsor?
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posted January 13, 2002 10:00 PM
Of course we do. Motul came on board last year and will continue with us this year.
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posted January 14, 2002 12:11 PM
Hey Doug, what about BelRay synthetic and semi-synthetic?? Doesn't muzzy have some sort of relationship with Belray?
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posted January 14, 2002 03:51 PM
Edited By: dougmeyer on 14 Jan 2002 15:52
Bel Ray was our oil supplier for many years prior to 2000. I used KalGard in the 70's and then Motul as my first synthetic in the late 80's. I think any major brand is a good bet, but look at some of the unique blends that the high perf. guys have. (Yeah, I know what The Consumer says. But I've talked to several petro engineers over the years that don't quite agree. The truth is somewhere in the middle).
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posted January 15, 2002 07:32 PM
Doug,just wondering what your thoughts were on Kendall GT-1 oil.A lot of racers swear by the stuff and a few years back when I owned a ZX11, someone at Falicon told me it was good
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posted January 16, 2002 09:37 AM
It's a very good petro oil. I've used it in alcohol and nitro applications over the years.
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posted January 18, 2002 07:30 PM
Doug,
Is the Mobil-1 0W30 synthetic safe for the strokers? I was told to try Royal Purple Racing 9-Series which is also a 0W synthetic that they recommend for racing motorcycles however it is not readily available in my local area. For all out racing I assume the 0 weight is better for less resistance but in the real world how much power are we talking about when comparing a zero-weight synthetic to a 20W50 synthetic in an application like the ZX12R?
I run 20W50 synthetic in my Z28 and Trans-Am which both have stroker motors simply because that is what my engine builder told me to run. I know a 1361cc 4 cylinder that revs to 12000rpm is completely different than a V8 that sees 6800rpm. So basically, what do you recommend?
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posted January 19, 2002 09:31 PM
In my humble opinion I believe the very small HP gain with these ultra light oils is not worth the consequences.It seems like all the Japanese manufacturers recommend 10w40.With the high quality synthetics we have today I dont believe the "heavy" oils are necessary unless your dealing with high loads such as nitro motors.I am running Kawasaki 10w40 synthetic blended by Motul in my 1270 with no problems thus far.
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posted January 24, 2002 04:45 PM
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I have 6 bottles of the Alisyn Oil 0 weight, 4 sale, $10 ea. also, i just dont like synthetic oil. man I have not had any luck with it. IMHO. I believe that it smokes clutches faster then standard oil. but then again I smoke them quick either way. The best Oil that I have found so far in the last two years is Kendall, now I know it is a car Oil. but Gary Clark uses it and I have tried it and It works. Im going to Try Royal Purple oil with my new motor and see what it is like. if I dont like it I will be going back to Kendall 10w-30w. call me crazy, but I have not seen any problems with it ever and the inside of my motor looks great!
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before any synthetic oil go's back in my bike you well have to pry the oil plug out of my cold dead hands.
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posted January 24, 2002 05:02 PM
every time i put synthetic oil in my bike it smokes clutches faster than josie wells smoked blue bellies.
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