01zx12r
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posted March 17, 2004 05:28 AM
Base gasket removal
Im curious from those of you not using a base gasket inbetween the cases and cylinder what are you using to seal it with? Thanks in advance....Chris
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MadMike
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posted March 17, 2004 05:59 AM
duct tape.................
LOL..
Just jokeing. I know that the copper paint or the aluminum paint works.. kind of like what you spray on your base plate if you have a stroker.
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01zx12r
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posted March 17, 2004 07:18 AM
Thanks Mike...Im surprised you didnt tell me to use bubble gum 
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DIGGSMS
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posted March 17, 2004 01:49 PM
HONDA BOND 4
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krexken
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posted March 17, 2004 03:06 PM
I've used aluminum paint and copper coat. Both worked but you'll be seeing that stuff at your oil changes for about a decade. Honda Bond is good, Yama bond, good ol black silicone works well too. I use the that purply stuff in a can with a brush. Really stringy too.
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posted March 17, 2004 08:18 PM
hey, I have some of that stuff Krex. that is *some* crazy stuff too.....
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posted March 18, 2004 04:42 AM
I used Yamabond on mine 10,000 miles ago and it's still looking good down there. As always....make sure the surfaces are clean, clean, clean.
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MadMike
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posted March 18, 2004 05:14 AM
you guys use yamabond between the block and case? wow never thought of that??
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AnotherRedHead
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posted March 18, 2004 06:28 AM
carpet adhesive works good
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oldkawboy
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posted March 18, 2004 10:58 AM
Diggs used Honda Bond, he is the service manager at a Honda dealership. I used Yamabond because Zack works at a Kaw/Yam shop and I don't really know if there is such a thing as Kawabond??????????
Mike.....Yeah, it works great.
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krexken
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posted March 18, 2004 07:17 PM
Kawi recommended sealant-Clear Bathtub & Tile Silicone.
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posted March 19, 2004 07:46 AM
anyone happen to know the compression thickness of the base gasket?
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oldkawboy
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posted March 19, 2004 11:54 AM
Al,
Mine measured 0.010" upon removal.
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posted March 19, 2004 04:01 PM
me too...
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psycho1122
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posted March 25, 2004 06:45 AM
Compressed it is at .080"
"ThreeBond 1104" is what I used.
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posted March 25, 2004 03:14 PM
Ok guys, I am admittedly ignorant in this area, so don't laugh too hard.
I'm assuming that removing the base gasket brings the valve that much closer to the piston, right? If my valves were already at .045", I then become .035" and that's too close.
Where do I get my proper valve clearance back from? Shims? Is that the expensive assed shims people refer to. The ones where the ZX-11 uses the same ones I think???
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posted March 25, 2004 03:42 PM
You assume about right. It's not a perfect 1 to 1 thing cause the valves aren't square with the bore but that's pretty close. About the only way to change the clearance is to sink the valves deeper into the seats by machining the seats deeper(not recommended) or you can adjust your cam timing. This can alter it greatly! Just removing your base gasket will alter your cam timing a teensy bit. You could cut the reliefs in the piston tops deeper but that's kinda sketchy with the stock pistons. You need to go with 1270 JEs which have deeper reliefs than stock. The only shims I know are the valve adjustment shims and most later kaws use the shim od shims. That ain't what ya need.
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posted March 25, 2004 03:47 PM
ken is correct. that or buy a .005 spacer plate. if they are even avl?
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posted March 25, 2004 09:42 PM
okey dokey, adjusting the cam timing to possibly assist with proper clearance.
I see your point there Mike, I hadn't thought about that option.
Seems like plenty of people are removing the base gasket..........is that how they are getting away with it? By moving cam timing?
If 103/105 is the hot ticket, AND I remove my base gasket, should I expect to have good clearance. (I'll check, but I'm just asking)
If it's too close, will going to 105-I/105-E be the right direction or the wrong direction?
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posted March 25, 2004 10:25 PM
you also have to check you piston to deck clearance! make sure you have enough room!
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posted March 26, 2004 07:50 AM
I just clay checked my piston to head clearance on the 1270. We got .027" in the Quench area!! PERFECT 
.050 in the piston to valve area w/ the Muzzy JE's
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posted March 30, 2004 01:57 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse, but....
Seems like plenty of people are removing the base gasket..........is that how they are getting away with it? By moving cam timing?
If 103/105 is the hot ticket, AND I remove my base gasket, should I expect to have good clearance. (I'll check, but I'm just asking)
If it's too close, will going to 105-I/105-E be the right direction or the wrong direction?
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posted March 30, 2004 03:09 PM
BASE GASKET
COMETIC OFFERS A .005 FOR MY BIKE ZX9 SO I ASSUME THEY HAVE ONE FOR THE 12 CHECK APE ZXZONE.(COPPER)
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posted April 02, 2004 04:04 AM
quote:
Compressed it is at .080"...
psycho: base spacer, eh?
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posted April 02, 2004 06:42 AM
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