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posted October 29, 2003 04:10 AM        
i have an asus p4c800 board, it died a month after i got it. (wouldn't even POST)

sent it back, they sent a new one pretty much no questions asked.

so even if it croaks, you get decent tech support.

anywhoooo just make sure you have a GOOD quality power supply and keep an eye on the voltages.

tell ya though, the p4 2.53 and ati 9800pro are awesome for speed... ;p

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posted October 29, 2003 06:45 AM        
Where did you buy the board from?
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posted October 29, 2003 07:47 PM        
friend who is a wholesaler, he had an extra he was clearancing
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posted October 30, 2003 05:26 PM        
I just ordered AMD 3000+ processor plug heat sink with fan for $249.90 (including shipping).
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posted November 05, 2003 07:59 PM        
The processor and the heat sink are mounted. The heat sink was tricky. Hopefully I didn't damage anything.
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posted November 06, 2003 04:19 AM        
sweeet
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posted November 06, 2003 05:26 AM        
Looking to an Athlon 64. Fairly expensive to do right now.
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posted November 06, 2003 11:22 AM        
That will be the project after I sell this one.
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posted November 06, 2003 01:35 PM        
Its too late now, you're going with AMD but for $160 you could have bought a cpu with a fan that runs at 3.2 ghz and has a 1.1 ghz 4 channel memory bus.
I havent seen a better bang for the buck so far.
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posted November 06, 2003 03:14 PM        
ok y2k, u'v peaked my curiosity. what is this cheap super-chip? and what's the punchline?
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posted November 06, 2003 04:38 PM        
Yes. What are you talking about?
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posted November 06, 2003 04:38 PM        
Next purchase will be the memory. $84.00 for half a G.
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posted November 07, 2003 08:43 AM        
Its the Intel 2.4a cpu. The street price is $160 or so, and its totally stable at 3 ghz plus when you bump the bus from 800 mhz to 1 ghz +. I built a system based around this chip when it came out in May.
It's basically the same chip as the 3.2/800 Intel chip. From what I've read the yields are so good of the high quality silicon that 95% of the chips are capable of 3.2-3.6 ghz.
With SATA hard drives setup in a RAID arangement for speed, the data bus moves data from the disks at a rate of almost 300 MB per second.
My system will post the bios then boot XP in about 6 seconds.

All with the stock cooling fan on the cpu. I raised the core voltage slightly thou and you will need to run matched Corsair DDR memory sticks but...
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posted November 07, 2003 10:38 AM        
interesting! i never heard pentiums to be good candidates for overclocking.
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posted November 07, 2003 11:20 AM        
OK.. soo... lets see here:

Intel 2.4a CPU - 160
Gigabyte GA-8KNXP MB - 210
1 Gig 4200 RAM -340

Total - 710

not bad... not bad at all....maybe I should get one!?!! Does the 2.4a support hyperthreading?

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posted November 07, 2003 02:35 PM        
Yes is does support hyper threading, IF you get a motherboard that has the right chip set.

I recomend A-Bit motherboards or Azus. Abit are the most stable for overclocking in most overclocking forums and sites. They were the first ones out with jumperless motherboards. All settings are done in the bios.

I love the IS-7. They make several versions so check out thier web site and decide what version you want. The best thing is this board is about a
hundred bucks but can go higher if you want more stuff on it.

I think 512mb of ram is the sweet spot for XP. I'm running the "corporate" version.

IS-7 $120 ?
2.4a $160
corsair ddr $160?
2 sata drives $160?

Check price watch because these prices change daily.

A machine from dell with this performance would be twice as much at least.

Good luck.
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posted November 07, 2003 05:09 PM        
I hate to jump in somebody elses mud puddle, but Necro, you might want to see if you can swing a full gigabyte of memory.
(I'm such a PC geek!)

myself and friends have proven time and time again that it speeds up game load times, pops you into online games faster than others, etc, etc.

512 is ok. Really, I'd expect nothing less from someone wanting to play new games well. I just don't want to see you short-change yourself, so think about 1G of memory. (actually, you won't get DUAL CHANNEL memory bus if you only have one memory stick anyway. That would TRUELY be a crime!!!

Y2K is mentioning the 3.2Ghz Intel, but like I said earlier, you could have over clocked a lesser AMD and saved yourself $100 too.
(I have no preference on AMD vs Intel)

Y2k obviously knows his stuff about PC's too, my hats off to ya Jim!!
Your system sounds really sweet.

I COMPLETELY agree about the ABIT motherboards for tweaking and stability, they are great. Also, for the AMD, the ASUS board is tough to beat the past 2 years.

I've been running my Asus with NForce2 chipset and the AMD 2500XP cpu at 2.2Ghz using 1G of DDR400 Corsair low latency mem. (2 x 512).

Using XP Pro over Win98 was worth a 10% speed increase alone!
The stats and times that my machine puts up are about the same on average, as a 3Ghz - 3.2Ghz Intel from your average guy out there like me. Jim's done a little extra to his, so he's probably got me beat!
You can find similar info and stats at www.tomshardware.com.

You can also run tests on your machine using "MadOnion" or "Futuremark" software. It's called 3DMark2001, 3Dmark2002, and 3Dmark03.
It's just an easy way to compare your system against others.

My stuff is out there under my email ID, Sportbikeral@hotmail.com.


NewEgg.com is high on my list of places to shop for PC parts.....


Have fun dude!





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posted November 08, 2003 08:41 AM        
Thanks BA.

The total memory will be 1.5 G. It will be in 3 1/2 G's sticks. 1 G is more expensive than two 1/2's.

The figures ar based on crucial.com prices.
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posted November 08, 2003 01:12 PM        
oi.
I'm not sure your motherboard supports it, but, you realize that by using 3 sticks of mem., that you won't be utilizing the "dual data channel" right?

ie. you'd be cutting your memory bus capabilities in half. Dual Data Channel can only be utilized only with 2 sticks of matching memory.


Y2K, care to jump in?



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posted November 08, 2003 01:38 PM        
That is correct BA - you can do dual data with 4 I think tho - memory just needs to be added in pairs.
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posted November 08, 2003 05:35 PM        
I don't know what you're talking about.

My motherboard has three slots.
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posted November 08, 2003 06:06 PM        
Just use two, populated with identical ram, for the best performance.
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posted November 08, 2003 11:10 PM        Edited By: BA on 8 Nov 2003 23:14
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Necro: I bought ASUS motherboard last night for $72.00. A7N8X-X.


From Toms Hardware website:
"Last but not least, there is the 'main feature' of nForce2, its Dual-Channel memory interface. nVIDIA is able to bundle two DIMMs in order to double the bandwidth. "

Here's an easy analogy Necro: (I hope!)

Not to offend, but, do you know what Parallel data transfer is??
Imagine this!
Data IN>>>....987654321>>>Data OUT (One digit at a time!)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Data IN>>>....7531>>>Data OUT (Both of these rows being read simultaneously!)
Data IN>>>....8642>>>Data OUT

Dual Data Channel is like getting Parallel data transfer, thus, your block of data goes back and forth from CPU to Memory twice as fast, and in about half the time!!

Kinda like sucking Coke from a can with TWO STRAWS instead of one, eh?


If you use an odd number of memory sticks, you will get the slower data transfer, if you use two or 4 sticks you will get the latter, faster transfer. (I think you have only 3 slots on your MB anyway, same MB as I have)

I think you should send the other one back or sell it/give it to family.

Leave the middle memory slot empty and you'll be good to go bro'! Everything else is AUTOMATIC!




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posted November 09, 2003 10:37 AM        
No BA I don't get offended easily especially when it comes to knowledge.

I have no problem saying "I have no idea what you're talking about"

So, to summarize, you're saying that it might be faster to use 2 sticks instread of 3 and to leave the middle slot empty. Right?

I do appreciate all the help I am getting in this thread. I am going to save it somewhere when I am done.

Hey let me know if you have a hydraulics question
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posted November 09, 2003 03:45 PM        
That's making the "right" choice necro. :thumbs-up:
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