fullzx12r
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posted October 01, 2003 11:53 PM
 Edited By: fullzx12r on 2 Oct 2003 00:54
PIAA Super plasma...
hi,
he is this somebody would have already used bulbs PIAA super plasma on
his ZX-12R
is what that gives really the impression when one crosses us to have a
bluish lighting
[color=blue][size=18]H4 Super Plasma [/size][/color]uses PIAA's twin color technology to provide a Super Plasma low beam which produces a bluish purple look and a Super White high beam for superior light output. Providing you the best of both fashion and performance.
Twin Pack 15560
Single Pack 15561
Bulb Type H4
Wattage 60/55w = 130/110w,
5000K Low Beam,
3800K High Beam
Technology Super Plasma with XTRA Technology
http://www.piaa.com/Bulbs/Bulbs-H4.html
thanks
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frEEk
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posted October 02, 2003 01:35 AM
there's some good threads on this if u do a search. it seems the most accepted opinion (also happens to be mine) is that the regular superwhites are ok, tho hardly as good as they claim. the plasmas are crap. they put out rather little light. dont get them if u actually plan on riding at night. they're good for nothing but looks, and ridin a 12 u already look way cooler than anyone else, so why bother? 
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tuusinii
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posted October 02, 2003 02:41 AM
And when consedering bulbs it is a good habbit to change the bulbs every fall when You need the most ligth. Because the bulbs are a wear item and even before they broke the lighting has come a long way down. This is of course if You always use ligts so they get a lot of 'on-time' And don't buy the cheapest - buy one of reputable manufacturer because they are usually done in better tolerances. And in a bulb 1mm makes a lot of differences. And the all cind off 'blue' 'plasma' etc are for posers and normally worse than regulars.
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Koz
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posted October 02, 2003 03:58 AM
Don't waste your money on EXPENSIVE bulbs. Nappa sells a Wagner bulb 100/130w that is as good/brite as ANY bulb on the market. If the information is still around on one of the 12 sites, you will find that several others have tried them and are very happy. I've had them in my 12 for three years with no problems. They are like laser beams at night. Oh, Ya, their about $12 each.
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fullzx12r
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posted October 02, 2003 05:08 AM
thank you for your answers, that known as like I never leads night,
the effectiveness does not import me little... I use actuelement
PHILIPS blue vision (right) and a cool OSRAM blue (left) but I
do not have the famous xenon effect, who light with the bluish effect,
and it is right the look that I do not seek the effectiveness...
still thank you that known as
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DaveInDaytona
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posted October 02, 2003 10:43 AM
I don't buy the bulbs for fashion but for how effective they are and the PIAA's are first rate. The NAPA bulbs are very good, I bought one to try one side by side with the PIAA's. The PIAA's are noticeably better than the NAPA bulbs. Besides I don't think you'll find too many NAPA stores in France anyway.
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BA
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posted October 02, 2003 07:37 PM
Freek, I'm not going to disagree with you,.......but,..... when I replaced the bulbs in my 00 9R with PIAA Super Plasma, they did indeed give off a slight purplish hue which was awesome against the Purple Mica paint and they were MEGA Brighter than stock. Huge difference for me, and all of my friends noticed it as well. Go figure.
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frEEk
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posted October 02, 2003 08:54 PM
BA, u sure it was the Plasmas and not superwhites? i had superwhite platinum's in my bike at one point, the 80/80W ones to boot, and they were a bit brighter than the stockers (only ~55/60W of course), but the brightness is deceiving. we mistake "lighter" with "brighter". it looks far more white definitely, the stockers looked yellower than an indoor incansecent in comparison. but we measured it with fish's light equipment and it was 50% brighter at best (probably more like 30%). given that it had about 50% more actual wattage, it didnt fare that well techinically speaking. but it did SEEM brighter to the naked eye. plenty of discussions on why/how/etc on older threads and other pages.
re the plasma's in particular, i believe only the low beam has the real blue light. the high beam is the same as the superwhites. seems most experts agree that up to the superwhites is ok, but beyond that ur rapidly losing effectiveness. the Osram "cool blue"s are supposed to be good tho. just white enough to be truly effective, but not too white. fairly cheap too. i plan on giving em a shot next. running 80/100W regular Bosch bulbs now. no problems with wiring yet. well, not _now_, till i wrecked the bike i should say.
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fullzx12r
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posted October 02, 2003 09:10 PM
I is on thing however, it is that since I roll in philips/osram, the
few times that I rolled night, lighting are much whiter than that of
origin
whatch that : 
left osram right Philips
note the difference with the small side-light which seems yellow in
comparison almost
others pics : http://fullzx12r.free.fr/divers/%e9clairage/
I know that what stops to me to buy the PIAA their price: 120 $ US 2
H4 in France..............
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BA
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posted October 03, 2003 02:35 PM
Hey Freek, I think most of my enthusiasm for the PIAA Super Plas is related to the High Beam which is like double the wattage so of course it'll be brighter.
My point of reference was when we fired the bike up and pointed it at a neighbors house and trees about 175' away. Lit them up like a freakin' christmas tree! It was really cool.
You were right tho, they are "Super White" when on Hi beam.
H4 Super Plasma uses PIAA's twin color technology to provide a Super Plasma low beam which produces a bluish purple look and a Super White high beam for superior light output. Providing you the best of both fashion and performance.
Twin Pack 15560
Single Pack 15561
Bulb Type H4
Wattage 60/55w = 130/110w,
5000K Low Beam,
3800K High Beam
Technology Super Plasma with XTRA Technology
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frEEk
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posted October 03, 2003 06:15 PM
hehe, notice how they rename their bulbs, or add bits to the name liek "xtra" or "platinum" every year or 2, but nothing actually seems to change half the time? damn marketers 
BA, it's not doubel the wattage unless u bought the 80/80W bulbs. the 60/55W = 130/110W thing means they actually pull 60/55, but perform liek 130/110, which is more marketing crap. my take on what how they justify those claims is that's how much wattage u'd have to pump thru a regular bulb to get that colour, or at least that's part of the justification. when i had a stock bulb in one side & put a regular (non white/blue) 100W bulb in the other one, the 100W defintiely looked whiter as well as brighter. that, and i'v read that the PIAAs (and other manufacturers) hotspot their beam pattern more, so at a single point it has doubel the brightness, but the total light output is the same (the peripherals suffer). nevertheless, if i could afford the $100 bulbs that burn out at least once a year, i'd go with the 80W superwite platinums again. i found they worked well at night, were good n bright, and looked cool to boot 
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Koz
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posted October 06, 2003 04:09 AM
DaveInDaytona,
I have seen two 2 12s next to each other, one with the Nappa/Wagner 100/130w (Which is made in Germany, which I would think would be available in Europe), and one with the most expensive PIAA. The only difference I seen was the blue-ish color, but as far as lighting the area in front of the bike, I personally think the Nappa bulb was as bright or brighter then the PIAA. The PIAA are definitely NOT worth the difference in price.
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DaveInDaytona
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posted October 08, 2003 06:11 AM
I hear those NAPA bulbs will make your battery go bad.
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Koz
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posted October 08, 2003 10:48 AM
Dave,
I guess you read my needing a battery LOL! Ya, that four year old battery couldn't take the last three years with those bulbs.
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DaveInDaytona
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posted October 08, 2003 10:55 AM
Yup, I saw it and I thought you would like that comment. 
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Race
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posted October 10, 2003 07:43 AM
Edited By: Race on 10 Oct 2003 08:48
http://www.sylvania.com/auto/silverstar.htm
Works for me...
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