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wannabe


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posted June 09, 2003 09:22 PM        
Installed my Bear Stacks this weekend

First of all, thanks to Vincent Hill for hooking me up with such a deal. It's you're world, man. The rest of us are just paying rent.

The instructions that Vincent included with the stacks were dead on. All I gotta say is that I hope that I never have to remove these things.

I've got another race this weekend at Sears Point. I'm looking forward to finding out if these are all they're cracked up to be. It's supposed to be relatively cold and dense air this weekend. There are days when the corrected altitude at Sears is below sea level. I've got my fingers crossed for another personal best.

Until then, I'm hitting the practice tree hard because, if someone's gonna beat me, I'm determined to make sure that it's not off the line.

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kangpow


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posted June 10, 2003 12:20 AM        
(((( Until then, I'm hitting the practice tree hard because, if someone's gonna beat me, I'm determined to make sure that it's not off the line. ))))



What is a practice tree???
Where can I see or get one???

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posted June 10, 2003 03:14 AM        
You can buy them from Schnitz or Pingel. Then you can hook the leads up to your clutch switch and practice on your own bike! Pretty nifty!
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posted June 10, 2003 04:29 AM        
really?...


gotta find them!!

i remember back in the days on fountain ave in brooklyn NY {street races}

some guy a a hand truck with a car battery and lights...

worked just like the real thing

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TurboBlew


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posted June 10, 2003 04:40 AM        


Just splice the wires from the clutch safety switch and hook it directly to the leads on this unit.
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VincentHill


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posted June 10, 2003 05:10 AM        
What is up? Everyone decide to wait until this weekend to install the stacks? (Kickstart my heart also). I noted that Bear & RG are running .5 better this year than last (New stacks, vs. Old Stacks). but skill and Preparation and maybe a bigger spray, who knows? All I hope for is that you pick up .1 over your best time!

With the 2 allen wrenches or I use 2 cotter key removers, it is not that hard to remove, but you are better off if the engine is warm!
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posted June 10, 2003 05:43 AM        
engine warm is the key trust me i know!!!

i learned the hard way!!

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posted June 10, 2003 06:48 AM        
quote:
engine warm is the key trust me i know!!!

i learned the hard way!!


Also before we knew about the Cotter Key removers or allen wrenches!

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wannabe


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posted June 10, 2003 07:54 AM        
Er...ummm....what's a cotter key remover? Is that some sort of dealy with a hook on the end?

Vincent, I really hope you're right about the 0.10 at the track.

As for the practice tree, it seems to be helping. In between rounds I disappear inside my trailer and make sure that I'm still dialed in mentally. It totally helped in my last race where I holeshoted a guy in the finals with a 0.418 light to his 0.460. Before I got the tree, I was all over the place with my reaction times. Nowadays, if I cut a 0.470 light, I feel like I was asleep at the line.

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wannabe


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posted June 10, 2003 08:20 AM        
Regarding my practice tree, I have this one:


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wannabe


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posted June 10, 2003 08:30 AM        
I also have the table top handlebar option with the clutch on it.

By the way, I learned a little trick from one of the old guys at the track last time out. If you're sidestepping the clutch on your launch like I am, one way to keep your gloves from hangin up on the lever and destroying your reaction time is to rub some baby powder into the tips of the fingers (on the glove) you use on your clutch. You don't need a lot of powder. Just sprinkle a little on the fingers, rub it into the glove, and wipe off the excess. (That last part is extremely important.)

Wahoo!!! Only 5 days until race day!!!

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vozizm


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posted June 11, 2003 07:52 AM        
I'm no racer... what is "sidestepping the clutch"
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VincentHill


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posted June 11, 2003 08:23 AM        
Voz, let an old racer take a guess at this. When you have staged with the brake on, you move the clutch lever until you can feel the pressure on the bike. Then, when it is time to leave, it cuts your reaction time because the bike has already started to "React".

Sort of like street riders having their hands over the Brake lever to save the time it takes to "Reach" for the brake lever!
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posted June 11, 2003 08:34 AM        
...ok... i learned something new today!...kewl..
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wannabe


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posted June 11, 2003 12:09 PM        Edited By: wannabe on 11 Jun 2003 13:12
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Voz, let an old racer take a guess at this. When you have staged with the brake on, you move the clutch lever until you can feel the pressure on the bike. Then, when it is time to leave, it cuts your reaction time because the bike has already started to "React".

Sort of like street riders having their hands over the Brake lever to save the time it takes to "Reach" for the brake lever!



Actually, sidestepping the clutch is something guys with wheelie bars do. It really helps you cut time off your reaction time. Instead of opening your hand to let go of the clutch, you just move your fingers out of the way and just let the clutch lever go. I was never able to cut lights in the 0.400's until I started doing this.

The term 'sidestepping the clutch' comes from dragracing cars where they did the same thing on the launch. But, instead of pulling their clutch leg up to launch, they would just move it over and let the clutch go....literally sidestepping the clutch.

And, regarding Vincent's comment, a lot of people do this also, but instead of that, I actually adjust my clutch freeplay extremely loose so that the clutch engages just a hair from the handle bar. In effect doing the same thing as loading the clutch at the start. The disadvantage to doing this, is that if you don't adjust it right, the clutch will pull you into a red light as soon as you get on the 2 step (rev limiter) after you're staged. I found this out the hard way.

I hope this helps.

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VincentHill


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posted June 11, 2003 12:26 PM        
I have seen people being dragged into the light. You remind me of a conversation my dad had with me when he was working on the Garage and was up on the ladder. He asked me which way was I going to run if he started to fall back from the ladder? I pointed directly away from the ladder. He pointed either left or right, but not the way the ladder is going!

In your case, not the way the "Lever" is going! Great point!

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posted June 11, 2003 12:34 PM        
Wannabe when are you going back to sears? date ? I wanna go there and take pics ..
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wannabe


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posted June 11, 2003 01:11 PM        
GOZR,

The next race at Sears is this Saturday. June 14th. If everything works out right, I should be there by 8am. If everything works out even better, I'll be there until late in the afternoon.

Come on out! I'll be the only ZX-12 out there unless a newbie comes by to play.

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posted June 11, 2003 02:38 PM        Edited By: GOZR on 11 Jun 2003 15:39
This sat ok man i'll come to see you..
Are you going to be alone there..?
Is it training or an actual race? what vs what?
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posted June 11, 2003 02:39 PM        
EBdave wanna join?
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posted June 11, 2003 03:40 PM        
GOZR,

This race is part of the local Summit series there at Sears Pointe. This is an actual race. I won the last time we raced there. So, I will most likely get eliminated in the first round this time.

It's strictly a bracket race. So, I'll be racing anything with two wheels that shows up. The last time 21 bike showed up to race, but not all of them knew what they were doing. I usually head up alone, but I pit next to my buddy who got me started.

The bikes range anywere from my ZX-12 to full on pure drag bikes to street bikes. Since you're coming, you might as well race. The entry fee is only $40. Who knows. You may actually get addicted.

I'll see you on Saturday.

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posted June 11, 2003 03:56 PM        Edited By: GOZR on 11 Jun 2003 17:08
Yea i was thinking about that but i'm waiting for my new chain and sprocket since the one i have act like a rubber now... it should come monday.


I use to go on wednesday nights
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wannabe


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posted June 11, 2003 04:19 PM        
Bummer, man. Racing on the weekends is very different than racing on Wednesday nights. Sears doesn't lay down any VHT (traction compound) for the Wednesday Street Legal races. You end up with very little traction at the track on Wednesday nights.

What's wrong with your existing chain & sprockets? How bad are they? Is the chain stretched past the manufacturer's spec?

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posted June 11, 2003 04:32 PM        
Hey Wannabe - Great explanation! That's exactly what I learned to do with the bars on the bike. Just drop it and go.
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posted June 11, 2003 04:56 PM        
Ho yes .. Far hahaha!

I didn't know about the compound..
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