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posted May 18, 2003 04:04 PM
Cycle Barn's Sports Bike Day & Dyno Shootout
After the by the book 1000 + 500 mile breakin, I decided to enter my new 1361 in Cycle Barn's Dyno Shootout. Big mistake! On full throttle, the bike blew, black smoke, stumbled, and died on the dyon @ 10k rpms. Amazingly, it still beat a 1400 busa with cams. However, my bike won't start. Some guys were saying it looked like an ECU fault, others thought my power commander or FI was bad. I was hoping for some imput because it won't start, and I had to leave it @ Cyclebarn...
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posted May 18, 2003 04:16 PM
ah shit. sorry ta hear that megabyte, esp since ya just got it broke in. sounds like u dont expect any serious mechanical damage tho, damn good thing!
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posted May 18, 2003 05:20 PM
Megabyte: A quick check: disconnect the power commander and try to start it.
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posted May 18, 2003 06:17 PM
That's a good idea, Thanks. BTW, a Turbo-Busa won the shootout @ 284 hp.
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posted May 18, 2003 06:47 PM
Hopefully unplugging the Powercomannder and hooking things back up to on Tuesday. I believe Mike will be back from Atlanta on Tuesday.
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posted May 19, 2003 06:49 AM
I must have just missed your dyno session, sorry to hear the trouble. It was kinda dissapointing how there were more Busas up there than 12's. I tried to get mine on, but waited to long and they said they weren't doing anymore, and only got to see one other, a 00 green 12.
Anyone know who belonged to the red one that was in the lot?
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posted May 19, 2003 10:22 AM
No, I don't know who ran the other red 02 12, but I did talk to him. Seems like the dyno numbers were down some. The Turbo-Busa Posted 306 on the I-90 Dyno. Hard to believe the Dyno could be 22 HP down. If it hadn't been for him, my crippled 12 would have won the shootout 
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I must have just missed your dyno session, sorry to hear the trouble. It was kinda dissapointing how there were more Busas up there than 12's. I tried to get mine on, but waited to long and they said they weren't doing anymore, and only got to see one other, a 00 green 12.
Anyone know who belonged to the red one that was in the lot?
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posted May 19, 2003 09:54 PM
I was listening to them when they ran the Busas and it didn't seem like they were hitting the limiters.
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posted May 20, 2003 11:10 AM
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I was listening to them when they ran the Busas and it didn't seem like they were hitting the limiters.
That's what the Suzi guys were saying also. The 1400 Busa w/Cams got 181.8 the first time he ran in the morning. He was very disatisfied with this so after he had added more fuel to his PCiiir, he ran 2x's again in the PM. His Second run was 182.1. He insisted that they bounce the motor off the rev-limiter, so the third time, he got 182.5. Hard to say if the .4hp increase was due to bouncing the rev-limiter or just because it was his second simultaneous run. My bike only posted 182.2 before it died. I know it wasn't running right, but I was very disappointed, especially after spending so much time and money on this project. I was promised 195 to 205 hp, and know two other 12s making better than 205 and 209 on their 1361's.
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posted May 20, 2003 02:47 PM
It should be EASY to get over 200 out of any 1361...sorry to here about this 
Same as above unplug the PC and see if it starts...if not check the codes in the ECM...
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posted May 20, 2003 07:22 PM
If i understand corectly megabyte your 1361 with my map thrown in yours for break in did a partial pull and made a 182.5 hp? When your bike has been mapped for it's performance and pipe, and it is running without an apparent pc problem and makes more then a single pull I would suspect you will make a hell of a lot more then 182 hp. Your bike has been chugging around, likely running rich and it sure in hell takes more then a single pull to clean it out.
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posted May 20, 2003 07:38 PM
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If i understand corectly megabyte your 1361 with my map thrown in yours for break in did a partial pull and made a 182.5 hp? When your bike has been mapped for it's performance and pipe, and it is running without an apparent pc problem and makes more then a single pull I would suspect you will make a hell of a lot more then 182 hp. Your bike has been chugging around, likely running rich and it sure in hell takes more then a single pull to clean it out.
Yes, 182.2 @ < 10K RMPs and blowing black smoke like a diesel. I appreciate your optimism, but I am a little discouraged at the moment. I'm having the plugs checked & the PCiiir disconnected. If that doesn't get her running again, I'll put her on a trailer a haul her over. My crippled 12 still beat a 1400 busa with cams.
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posted May 22, 2003 05:55 PM
Bad Fuel Pulse Sensor
Cycle Barn just called to tell me the reason my bike was running so rich was because of a Bad Fuel Pulse Sensor. I should be able to pick her up tomorrow. Would the Muzzy's hi-flo fuel pump have anything to do with this ?
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posted May 22, 2003 06:20 PM
Good News. I don't see how the bigger fuel pump would have anything to do with it. Have not seen it hurt or effect anyone elses 12.
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posted May 22, 2003 07:01 PM
You WILL have a LOT more power if that sucker was so rich it was smoking on that pull!!!
Z is also right about...the first pull is NEVER the best unless something goes wrong on that first pull ...let alone your motor that was broken in "nicely"
What is the Fuel Pulse Sensor???
Might be me but I'm not familiar with that particular part (name)...
Fuel pump will only efect the performance (for the BETTER when mapped right)...
We picked up power on a STOCK MOTOR when I installed the Muzz-Pump (after mapping of coarse)...
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posted May 22, 2003 07:27 PM
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What is the Fuel Pulse Sensor???
Might be me but I'm not familiar with that particular part (name)...
You know, I'm not sure what the Fuel Pulse Sensor is. All they have told me is that it was necessary to tear the bike apart to get to it. I'm still somewhat nervous about this....
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posted May 23, 2003 11:37 AM
Elk's rather stock bike (pipe, PCii, air filters) pulled 181 on dyno. You should be getting more. If you don't, consider bitch slapping whoever did the motor kit. 
Hopefully the fuel sensor will straighten things out.
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posted May 23, 2003 12:06 PM
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Elk's rather stock bike (pipe, PCii, air filters) pulled 181 on dyno. You should be getting more. If you don't, consider bitch slapping whoever did the motor kit.
Hopefully the fuel sensor will straighten things out.
You know, I'm pretty confused about all the Dyno #s I see posted, a basically stock 12 w/pipe making over 180 hp, while a 1400 Busa w/Cams that runs in the hight 8's @ over 150 mph, makes barely more than that, seems to me like there's no level playing field when it come to dyno #s.
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posted May 23, 2003 12:29 PM
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R U Sitting Down ?
That's what Cycle Barn asked me when I called. The dam cam timing sensor came loose from the CAM, broken parts everywhere inside the engine. Good news is that my mechanic is going to take care of me.
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posted May 23, 2003 01:38 PM
WOW?!?!?!
Glad he's gonna fix it...
Sounds like the bolt that hold it on came loose/fell out...
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posted May 23, 2003 02:27 PM
Interesting how perspectives are. The mechanic at cycle barn in talking to Velasco explained that the fuel injection system sensor that is factory installed in the end of the exhaust cam is what came loose. It came loose fell out into the journal of the head on that end of the cam. It is laying in that spot, there isn't any pieces or parts skattered, broken etc. the sensor is laying in the puddle of oil.
Anyway Velasco will pick up the bike and fix it. Just as I expected.
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posted May 23, 2003 03:14 PM
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Interesting how perspectives are. The mechanic at cycle barn in talking to Velasco explained that the fuel injection system sensor that is factory installed in the end of the exhaust cam is what came loose. It came loose fell out into the journal of the head on that end of the cam. It is laying in that spot, there isn't any pieces or parts skattered, broken etc. the sensor is laying in the puddle of oil.
Anyway Velasco will pick up the bike and fix it. Just as I expected.
The information that I received from the front desk was that there were parts skattered,& broken inside the engine, etc. This news scared the hell out of me. I should have insited on talking to the mechanic! But you're right, Mike was real good about promising to take care of this, no questions asked. You don't know how much that was worth....
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posted May 23, 2003 03:38 PM
Good deal. Glad you are taken care of. Good folks will stand by their work, and if questionable, will do the right thing anyway.
I'm sure you'll be a very loyal customer, won't you?
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posted May 23, 2003 04:36 PM
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Good deal. Glad you are taken care of. Good folks will stand by their work, and if questionable, will do the right thing anyway.
I'm sure you'll be a very loyal customer, won't you?
Yes, Jon, You're right, I will be loyal. Just, realize how hard it is to deal w/something like this after putting so much time, money, and dreams into the project, .....
Imagine how you would feel under the same circumstances, when you called the shop about your bike, and were asked "are you sitting down?"
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posted May 24, 2003 05:16 PM
MVR? built the motor???
Now...I have NO doubt that...it WILL run VERY good when all is said and done...
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