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posted May 12, 2003 08:31 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 12 May 2003 09:31
Ever Opened a Yoshbox and looked inside?
Well?
I think a lot of people would be eating a little "crow" if they did...
so....
someone get out a some tools and take a peek.
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posted May 12, 2003 03:06 PM
come on... no one? I wanna hear someone post it and say what's inside so I dont have to be the one to spell it out fer all of ya...
come on guys!
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posted May 12, 2003 04:04 PM
The box is big enough to hide a powercommander in it.
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posted May 12, 2003 04:13 PM
Doesn't matter what is inside, it is what you can't see that is important. It is the firmware that runs the hardware. No firmware, not even a good paper weight.
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posted May 12, 2003 04:56 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 12 May 2003 18:00
come on ted... open it up and take a picture fer me....
I happen to know who makes the Yoshbox... it's written VERY VERY clearly on the main board of the unit....(inside) ...
so come on now and post a pic fer us someone so we can see who REALLY makes the Yoshbox.
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posted May 12, 2003 05:35 PM
Mine says Fischer-Price. Oh damn, that was the kids RC car controller and now it won't work anymore. Damn you Fish! When he goes to play with it I'm tellin him you told me to take it apart!
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posted May 12, 2003 07:18 PM
Come on Fish - tell us!!
Let me guess.. is it:
1. Suzuki
2. Bub Rub or
3. PowerCommander?
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posted May 12, 2003 07:39 PM
DJ
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posted May 12, 2003 07:56 PM
Thanks Dave... yer absolutely right......
and Ted... what yer saying is what doctors commonly refer to as "being in denial"...
so someone crack one open and take a picture fer all to see so people ESP on this site can stop bashing DJ since "all the yoshbox are belong to them".
so there.
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posted May 12, 2003 09:03 PM
Edited By: TedG on 12 May 2003 22:04
I have never said a thing about the Yosh box, never laid eyes on one. Again the firmware is what makes the thing work, and clearly it is different. You never know, Yosh may have contracted DJ to make the hardware to their specs. The hardware is pretty much generic. Denial of what? All I know the DJ is not well implemented.
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posted May 12, 2003 10:21 PM
How do you know that the firmware isnt DJ as well?
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posted May 13, 2003 07:12 AM
Coulld be, but probably not. Probably not the same hardware either. The Yosh has other inputs. In this business you buy hardware and make your own firmware. Just like your PC. Anyway who gives a shit??
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posted May 13, 2003 08:05 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 13 May 2003 09:07
Well guess what... The Yoshbox is 100% DJ. This isnt a case of "Just like your PC".........
And the point is this...
people have been ragging on DJ for the last while... now groups of people are promoting the Yoshbox.. saying how it's the cat's ass and it's so much better than anything DJ has...
Well... those people should wake up and smell the coffee because the TRUTH of this is very simple:
IF you buy a PC3 etc you are buying DJ.... and IF you buy a Yoshbox you are buying DJ. DJ are the people who are creating and manufacturing these products. Bottom line.
So get yer heads out of yer asses and THANK DJ for the excellent werk they have done in creating BOTH of these products.
The best you can do fer Yosh is to thank them fer their cool logo and packaging.
PS...
I'm not feeding you guys a line of crap here.. I'm telling you the straight out facts.
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posted May 13, 2003 08:35 AM
I wondered how long it would take for that info to come out.
It's always best to be your own competition.
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posted May 13, 2003 09:20 AM
Then they are both ????. I didn't come by that opinion from here-say. I have firsthand experience. It left me stranded 100 miles from home, the wires began to fall out, the service sucked, I had to go to Vegas to get the replacement, many people have had them fail, their download routines are half assed, they lie about future products, and their programming sucks. And possibly now cell phones make it go haywire??? Does anyone have a clue what the flooding they cause does to the oil?? Oh yeah sounds like a good product to me. Remind me not to get the Yosh box either.
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posted May 13, 2003 09:40 AM
tell ya one thing, the yosh software seems to be a bunch better than the DJ PC stuff. u hook up the yosh to the computer with the bike running & u get real time rpm, TPS, duty %, and fule and timing adjustment readouts on screen. that that was very cool, and it proved useful for confirming our installation (help cowboy install his last week). certainly the box is alot more capable that the DJ too. besides teh switching maps, it has alot more features built in, tho not all are available for the 12  so it may be made by DJ, but the yosh is still a better product than the PC IMHO. a good chunk more expensive mind u. oh yeah, the yosh appears to have a significantly larger range of adjustments for fuel and timing too, at least by what i was told of the PC's capabilities.
cant say anything about the quality/reliability of either unit tho since i dotn own one.
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posted May 13, 2003 10:45 AM
Ted,
I agree with most everything you're saying (not sure about the cell phone thing) but my experience is different from yours.
I could tell you about my Chevy truck that sucked so bad that Chevy bought it back from me under the lemon law. Chevrolet did everything they could to get out of that but it took scheduling a trip to a moderator to finally convince Chevy to write a check.
For some STUPID reason on my part I bought another Chevy two years later and it's the worst vehicle I have ever owned. It's been to the dealer for service 13 times in the past two years for everything from a rear end replacement to a transfer case failure. And the most abuse it's had was 5 miles in 4WD through some sand.
Now if I apply the same reasoning you're using I will never buy another Chevrolet or any other GM product ever again.
Wait, that's exactly how I feel. See, I did do it your way in this case. Both Chevy trucks I have bought have been absolute crap, oh yeah sounds like a good product to me. Remind me never to buy a GM anything again.
Not trying to be an ass, just relaying my experience with junk I bought that you may not feel the same way about.
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posted May 13, 2003 11:44 AM
On the flip side many many people have been very happy with both their PC3's and their Chevy trucks...
prob is they dont come out and cheer about it as they are just happily using the things....
it's the people who have probs that bitch.
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posted May 13, 2003 12:03 PM
Well if i could i wouldn't use either and just stay with the trusty resister mod but i had to install one of them.I owned a pc3r and seen first hand the problems they were causing along with all the internet bitching.Sold the pc3r before ever installing it and bought the yosh.Now after the yosh sitting for more than a year we installed it and everything is great,except for one thing.I'm am questioning the map switch.While hooked to the computer and running the bike it appears the map switch is working properly but i cannot feel a difference between a motor map with advanced timing and a nitrous map that is retarding -6 degrees and adding 45% fuel from 6000rpm and up at 80-100% tps???Bikle should fall on its face in my opinion.Going to dyno in a couple hours to check air/fuel ratio between maps and that will paint a clearer picture.Also Zooligan said he has the same problem.
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posted May 13, 2003 12:31 PM
Dave, again I agree, but this topic is about the PC3 and Yosh being the same. So it is fair to comment on why I don't like the DJ. It seems to me that that Yosh programmed their own. Also I had the same experiences with Ford. Never a serious problem with a Chevy. I just traded the wifes Tahoe with 120 thou on it ,(and only replaced the alternator) in on a Cadillac Escolade. All my trucks from them have been defect free, and the Vette had minor stuff(although the dealer isn't qualified to fix it ..assholes). I feel it is a programming issue with DJ, some errant pointer plows the map and things get bad.
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posted May 13, 2003 01:15 PM
I personally would like to thank Dynojet for a perfectly crappy product! Consider me one of those that had problems and bitched. It did not instill confidence in me when I bought my pcIIIr after hearing about the problems but I said they can't all be bad. Then 2 months later when it took a crap and DJ gave me the runaround til they finally replaced it I said shame on me. I still don't trust the replacement but have been running it for a year now with no problems. Now if only 50% of my condoms worked there would be trouble!
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posted May 13, 2003 03:58 PM
Well,i'm back from the dyno and it shows a 15hp difference between maps.We switched back and forth and everytime the results were what i wanted to see.This local dyno never had the o2 sensor but the difference in power curve was very noticable.This makes me happy!!!!
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posted May 13, 2003 04:24 PM
All the bitchin' is why I never bought one. Never did the TPS or resistor mods either. Bike seems to run just fine on the Akra & K&N's. Do I need to be worried? Or am I just missing a few ponies?
Keep in mind I'm a poor man & that's why the bike is still basically stock. I keep thinking I need one but I can't afford an expensive engine repair; & the thing runs so gawdamned good......why change it if it runs fine?
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posted May 13, 2003 05:13 PM
So you tore open a Yosh box and dug all the rubberized epoxy out of it.?? I opened mine tonight to peek inside. All the electronics were potted with a rubberized stuff that just wanted to break into pieces. I dont need to see inside that bad. All I know is it works and works flawlessly...
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posted May 13, 2003 05:27 PM
Edited By: Zhooligan on 13 May 2003 18:28
Good news Cowboy!! You'll have to pop me a copy of your two maps.
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