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posted May 02, 2003 09:57 AM
Toby damper
has anyone ever use it on a 12.....
would like to see pics
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redelk
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posted May 02, 2003 10:06 AM
Is one ACTUALLY available? I've had one on "backorder" from LP for about... THREE YEARS! They had a part #, but told me that one wasn't available yet for about a year. I guess they've cancelled my order.
I did have a M Toby 25-way adjustable on my '97 7R and I loved it. Even though it's made in France (probably explains a lot about the availability issues earlier), it's a was a great damper... back then.
I'm not so sure if it has some of the features found in the Scott or Muzzy dampers (variable rate for high speed damping). I'd check it out VERY closely before I bought another one.
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posted May 02, 2003 10:30 AM
i have an 02' and scotts has no intentions on making one for the 02'.... muzzy is VERY nice but not cheap.... toby's is 2 bills cheaper!!.. i went to thier site..very bland siterue french fashion  .. they dont even show it on a 12... i want to see mounting points...
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posted May 02, 2003 10:56 AM
That might be the "rub" and why I have not heard of anyone using a M Toby on a 12R. When I checked different "sources", they said the delay was just that. They were trying to figure out where to mount the damn thing.
My Toby damper on the 7R was the older style "side mount" which attached to the frame, by the top of the cylinder head. An option that is not possible on the 12R. I understand that they do make the shorter "top mount" version for some bikes, but I've never see or heard of one mounted on a 12R.
HyperPro's weird "modified ashtray" method for attaching the damper never really took off. If you've ever seen one, you'd see why. Even though Muzzy uses a HyperPro damper with their set up, not only is the mounting hardware/configuration is a Muzzy design, the damper has been revalved to Muzzy's specs and is unlike any damper offered by HyperPro.
After a year, I realized that M Toby damper may NEVER appear and I went ahead and got the Muzzy damper. Being the "King of Posers", I got one of the very first ones Muzzy sold. Sadly, the first batch Muzzy got from HyperPro were "defective".
I had my for over a year before it started blowing oil. Muzzy replaced it at no charge and no questions asked. Strange enough, the replacement they sent just recently "lost" half it's clicks. It still worked, but was not as "variable" in adjustments. Again, it was promptly replaced.
It might appear that the Muzzy damper is full of problems, but it is not. There were just a handful in the original "defective" group and my experience with having an addional problems is an extreme rarity. What's even rarer is the unbelievable customer service Muzzy has.
Just try to make a claim on a damper that is NINE MONTHS out of warranty and then claim a problem the replacement FIVE MONTHS after getting it. That is if the replacement even had a "standard" 90 day warranty.
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posted May 02, 2003 01:03 PM
Step up to the Muzzy since scott isn't making one for the 02. Toby makes an ok damper. They have been the choice of many racers because they are cheaper. That said you get what you pay for.
I have never seen an issue with a Scott Damper. I have seen some issues with the Muzzy, in in every case Muzzy took care of it, no problem. The guys I have known with a toby have treated the damper failure as if it were a chain or sprocket. Throw it away and buy another.
My two cents worth.
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posted May 02, 2003 06:58 PM
seems like a muzzy damper is in the near future.....
gotta save for that one.....since they call me SB----STAY BROKE!!
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