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posted March 25, 2003 01:37 PM
ZX-7R Swing & Scott's Damper
Ok just a heads up for all, my tech called me today as he is completing the mountian of work on my 02. The following are worth noting...
1) The nut head thing on the top where the damper fits is different from 01 to 02 and currently Scotts was caught with there pants down. Therefore Muzzy's is overnighting me a damper. Saved a couple of sheckles.
2) The ZX-7r looks great and matches up well expect on the brake side which requires custom machining of the bracket that holds the caliper. I have no pictures yet and should get some soon.
Put that in your big ass FYI file.
Dave if you read this are you still interested in my stock swing arm?
Bart
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posted March 25, 2003 02:38 PM
There are a lot of little things on the front of the '02 that are different. That's one if them. Muzzys had this covered early.
Another is the pin size for a front stand that lifts with a pin. The '00-01 is different than the '02
Yes, I am interested. Send me an email and we can work something out.
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posted March 25, 2003 06:26 PM
Dave,
I'll probally have it by the end of the week, I'll get you the scoop ASAP.
Bart
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posted March 25, 2003 07:12 PM
I have yet to get to the point of the brake bracket modification. Were still prepping my 7R swingarm for the powder coating. While doing a test fit last night, I discovered something that actually concerns me even more then the brake bracket issue.
As I'm sure you are already aware of, even though the bearings, sleeves and collars on the front part are the same between the two, the oil seals are not. For the most part, the fact that the larger threaded part of 12R swingarm shaft goes in opposite of the 7R, does not matter. That is except for the oil seals used on the two swingarms. Since the location of the large opening for the swingarm shaft on the frames are on opposite sides on the bikes, using a 7R shaft would not work.
The 7R has a MHA 35x47x5 on the right side and a KC 38x45x6 on the left. The 12R has a KC 38X47X6 on the right and a MHA 35x47x5 on the left. Now in the case of the 12R arm, the openings on both sides have the same ID of 47mm and I don't really think (at this time) the 1mm difference in oil seal thickness will be much of an issue if their location were swapped. The reason I guessing that this is the case is that the location of the ball bearing is the same on both arms.
On the other hand, though the 7R arm has an ID of 47mm on the right and 45mm on the left. Seals for the 7R arm can not be used since the ID of the right seal needs to be 38mm (where hopefully a 12R KC 38x47x6 seal should work) and the seal ID on the left needs to be 35mm and an OD of 45mm. Here's where the problem occurs. With the 7R arm having an ID of 45mm, the 12R's MHA 35x47x5 seal won't fit. A seal with the dimensions of 35x45x5 (or 6) is needed.
So what did the do about the different size oil seal for the swingarm shaft on the 7R swingarm? Is there a KMC part # for it or did the just get it from some automotive or industrial supply house? If the later, what's the part number and where can one be easily found? The "KC" refers to the lip and case configuration ("K" = Double Lip and "C" = Fully Rubberized Casing). I have not been able to easily find a KC 35x45x5 (or 6). Wouldn't a TC ("T" = Double Lip, Spring Loaded) seal work just as well?
Since I want to put my arm on this weekend, I'd like to know what seal they used (since we KNOW you didn't do the work yourself, poser boy!). I'd also really like to see the pics on the bracket mod or at least a description of what the modification entails. It would save me some time.
BTW... since the most (if not all) 7R swingarms don't come with any zerk fittings, did you have them put in a couple of them in like the 12R arm has?
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posted March 26, 2003 11:14 AM
You better get on the ball Sherm 46 days until dg5.And if you are looking for help from Bart you was fuck from the start. What was you thinking?
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posted March 26, 2003 11:39 AM
Yep....
Sherm you'd be better off asking that question to the chick who runs the shoe department in JC Penney's.  You lost Bart right after you said "MHA 35x47x5" , he thought it was an XM Satelite radio station er somethin'.
In short,...I'm in agreement with Lucky. 
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posted March 26, 2003 04:42 PM
Dam Rick,Sherm should know by now not to ask Bart a fucking thing.I know they don't drug test where Bart work's are he would be fuck.Or back on the street.
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posted March 26, 2003 06:19 PM
Your right I was lost after that Mha fucking thing, what is that??? Anyway I hate getting my hands dirty thats why I have people that are skilled do the job. Anyway my baby is 4 and 6 racing now and I'm going to check it out tomorrow.
Bart
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posted March 26, 2003 06:40 PM
Best of luck with all the new goody's Bart.call me when you get time and let me know how thing are working out.
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posted March 26, 2003 07:20 PM
 Edited By: redelk on 26 Mar 2003 19:24
Hmmmmm.... "skilled", eh? Exactly how many of these swaps have they done?
I'm sure they will have a boat load of suggestions on new suspension settings for you. After all, you have just COMPLETELY changed the whole geometry of the bike. You know, things like sag, rake & trail, F to R weight distribution ratio, wheelbase, rear ride height and such.
Oh, you didn't realize that your fork settings will all have to be changed as well? Yep, not only is the front affected by changes in the back (especially a change as dramatic as a shorter swingarm), but every aspect, measurement and angle and how the components relate to each other has changed.
Don't forget to check to see if they installed those zerk fittings. We'd hate for them to under pack those bearings with grease and then you not be able to add any without having to remove the whole swingarm again.
I hope the found the correct oil seal for the left side (Federal Mogel makes one in a "TC" configuration). I'm sure they didn't just butcher the OD of a 47mm or used that OEM 45mm x 38mm 7R seal. Geez, seein' as how it should be 35mm, that 3mm gap would just let in all kinds of dirt and moisture in on those bearings... that you can't add any fresh grease to because you don't have any zerk fittings.
Ooooo... that reminds me, I wonder if they used 7R or 12R bolt through the sleeve on the bottom of the swingarm? They are the same ID but the 7R's is 5mm shorter. Oh I'm sure that it won't make any difference. After all, you've entrusted you bike to "skilled" professionals and EXPERIENCED, right?
I wouldn't sweat it though, if I was you. After all, not only do you trust these guys with your money and your bike, but you equally, if not more, trust them with your life. That's say a lot. Either about their mechanical skills or... well, never mind.
Being mechanically ignorance of an untested alteration of a bike's suspension and frame geometry is bliss though, isn't it? Oh, except maybe that one time you go into that bumpy sweeper and the back end stutters because the swingarm is binding from dirt getting in there or not having enough grease. Ahhhhh, but they know what they're doing, right Bart? Well at least up the point when it comes to actually actually riding the bike and pushing the envelope on the new set up and it turns out... there still might be a few bugs to work out. Still, I'm sure they will tell you what to look for and how to address it.
After all, we'd hate for your swingarm not perform it's best (or even "lock up") at the Gap. It would be so disappointing for all of us. Oh well. At least you'd be able to cook all the meals for the SH gang, since you won't be doing any riding, eh? Maybe Rick can loan you some tools while you sort it out.
I am still wondering about that bracket mod. Do you have ANY idea on what they did? Oops! Don't bother. I just remember who I was asking. I'll just go and ask that shoe clerk at JC Penney's. The one in the "Ladies Shoes". After all, who would you think I'd rather trust MY LIFE to when it comes to motorcycle mechanical knowledge? You or Shamika?
All kiddin' aside (*cough*), I'm sure you and your new swingarm (without those pesky zerk fittings) will be just fine.
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posted March 26, 2003 08:23 PM
LMFAO!!!!
Sherman you do have a way with words. BTW....ask Shamika her viewpoint on a 180 vs. a 200 series rear tire. I've been meaning to call her but haven't had time.
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posted March 26, 2003 10:55 PM
Edited By: redelk on 29 Mar 2003 17:09
Give ya'll an idea of what they look like sid by side. The nice part is that it looks like having the axle as far forward as possible on the 12R arm (where I try to run mine), would be equal to having it as far back as possible on the 7R arm.
With the beefier (at least in appearance) 7R swingarm, I wonder how it will effect the overall flex of the chassis and how it will react to the combined inputs of the rider and road conditions (as if I could really tell)? Since Bart has to ride 30 miles to what they call a "curvey road" (all 8 miles of it), I guess I'll be the first to find out.
That is if we get those old bearings out and get it powder coated by tomorrow night. Did you paint your's Bart or leave it "stock"? Oh yeah... and if we get the zerk fittings put in tomorrow as well. We're actually thinking about putting in 3 fittings (2 front closer to the bearing sets/1 back like the 12R's arm as seen in the above pic). What did they do on your's Bart?
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posted March 27, 2003 06:58 AM
Sherm, can ya do us all a favor, and document the Federal Mogul P/Ns used when you are done? I've got my 7R swingarm in the garage, just haven't had time to do anything with it.
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posted March 27, 2003 07:04 AM
You know you'll get the "Elk Report" on this project.
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posted March 27, 2003 07:47 AM
DAMN Sherm......I need you to check mine out too!! Shessssshhhh!! (walks off with head smoking.....)
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posted March 28, 2003 09:13 PM
Not trying to put pressure there on you Elk, but we would like to make this a spring or early summer read and not a winter story!  Your damn picture of the two swing arms has really sparked my curiosity!
Looking forward to your report!!
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posted March 29, 2003 05:39 AM
Sherm,
Let'start of with a nice big cup of "SHUT THE FUCK UP"
You are right I don't understand all that shit, thats why I'm using 4 & 6 racing and things like computrack. As for the forks being completely redone with values, springs, etc. I'm getting the E-Boz set-up.
Now for learning...
8 Track schools scheduled with 1 on 1 instruction and 4 open tracks days at the mother of all tracks Road America.
Long stroy short...
If you ever think you can back it in on me give it a shot, otherwise get back to preaching your crap on the porch with the rest of the "Know It All's"
BBBIIIIAAACCCHHH,
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posted March 29, 2003 07:30 AM
Here you go Bart!
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posted March 29, 2003 05:55 PM
Bart, sounds like your serious! Going for the "ivy league" instruction, instead of the "hard knocks" school..eh?
NICE!!
Make sure you bring some salt and pepper to the DG events...you know shredded rubber will taste better, if its seasoned for those following you...lol.
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posted March 29, 2003 07:45 PM
Bart Rossi.....
Bart,
You are so full of shit it's pathetic. But I admire that trait. School will be in session @ DG5, don't bring me an apple either biatch. Daddy will be much more impressed with a nice "Hand rolled cigarette". LMFAO!!!!
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