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posted March 21, 2003 07:19 AM
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT.
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some
individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have
experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the
dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd
began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending
others.
I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is
seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely
made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those
who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to
understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only
to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our
own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This
culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by
millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,
or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society,
learn the language!
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing,
political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on
Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.. It
is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new
home, because God is part of our culture.
If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should
seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our
culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did
things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.
Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we
will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining,
whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way
of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American
freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.
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posted March 21, 2003 07:38 AM
Amen....
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posted March 21, 2003 09:54 AM
The problem is, the Born here Americans are now out numbered! and in this country, the "Majority rules" I understand what you mean, and the fact that this is the only country that way!
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posted March 21, 2003 10:08 AM
I think you speak for all true, loyal Americans. "This is my Country," and I'll be damned if I'll sit on the sidelines while it's high-jacked by left-wing communists! Unfortunately, I think those of us who are loyal Americans are in for a huge battle, and it may already be too late, witness the mass protests Thursday that blocked roads, bridges, and highways, and nobody was even willing to stop them! Protestors who stop traffic need to be locked up and sued for preventing the rest of us from our normal and necessary duties. What if an ambulance couldn't get through to a hospital with a dying patient because of their road blocks? The "peacenics" cry about So Damn Insane, and the Iraqi's but they don't give a shit about the lives they interfere with and destroy with their protests here at home, what hippocrits!!!!
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posted March 21, 2003 11:20 AM
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!
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posted March 21, 2003 11:50 AM
quote:
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!
That expression works both ways! Either you love America the way it is, or leave it! or If you do not love America, leave it!
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posted March 21, 2003 04:52 PM
OH SO WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted March 21, 2003 07:11 PM
 Edited By: Zhooligan on 21 Mar 2003 19:15
spent the last 7 days playing in Vegas. The cab trip to the airport was interesting. The driver was from Bulgaria and he said the US senate and congress dhould visit Bulgaria for some insight on how to deal with the Muslims in our country. He explained that in Bulgaria they had a large group of Muslims and unrest as a result. So a law was passed to deal with them. Basically the country gve the Muslims 2 choices. Leave the country or convert to Greek Orthodox and take a Christian name. Those choosing to stay would have to live acording to Blgarian laws etc.
He said 50% of the Muslims left Bulgaria and 50% converted religions, took christian names and stayed in the country. He also went on to say that the 50% that stayed have become the best citizens Bulgaria has.
I certainly don't suport forced conversion etc., but what I did find interesting is here is another example of what makes us different than many other countries (freedom of choice and religion).
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posted March 21, 2003 07:11 PM
Idiot "protesters" are making life miserable for people in Portland (1 of the communist sections of Oregon).......I daydream about building something like in Animal House,except with big spikes and shredders on the front and sides. ......Then do a drive thru on the freeway blockers  ......Makes me all warm and fuzzy just picturing the looks on their faces as I come barreling towards them at 80 mph!!!
I'm not sick..............Really!
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posted March 21, 2003 08:38 PM
You will like this article about our "wonderful" Hollywood types...
It is long but very well written!
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Who's Smarter?
by Cindy Osborne
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding antiwar rallies, screaming
about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming
the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and
everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names
like "stupid," "morons," and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as
to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed
to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's
look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic"
leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale
University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102
pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil
and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry
until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5
percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the
first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on
November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush
won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American
vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas
counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon
in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the
heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and
Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being
lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go
to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.
Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966,
both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political
Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President
Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress
and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy,
secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as
President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital
Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to
work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice
President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism
is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the
tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.
Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City public
schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he
earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at
CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon
graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a
Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington
University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and
foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian
awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's
Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State
Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished
Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in
his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges
across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United
States Army)
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on
Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval
aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59;
U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President,
Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of
Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of
Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director
of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77;
Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working class
family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to
Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The
Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he
served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star
for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree
and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney
in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first
enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was
overwhelmingly re-elected six times.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree
in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University
of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in
1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at
the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University
of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in
Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the
University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's
Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees
are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American
Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates
from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and
the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member
of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior
Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by
courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified
and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era
(1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union
and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles
on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed
audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in
Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National
Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German
reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the
Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and
East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special
Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while
an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she
served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender --
Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of
directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation,
the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame,
the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco
Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the
Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in
East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of
the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board
service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation,
Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for
Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and
KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in
Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C.
So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their
experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will
defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that
if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders,
we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:
Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career:Acting
Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal.
Career:Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting
Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in
Washington, D.C. Career: Acting
Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting
George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of
Michigan. Career:Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we
should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed
daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security.
They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the
Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and
terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with
the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military,
and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that
we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot
believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding
groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country.
They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature,
and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative
views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of
America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton
bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked
the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get
Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was
held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American
lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our
nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were
killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine
lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change?
Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.
Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the
Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE,
FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze
the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote
world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the
evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close
to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to
disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these
weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly
weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.
So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that
since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also
determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions
concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the
Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good
enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not
speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to
Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High
School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country
that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the
American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year
than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank
account give him clout?
The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles
of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and
divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How
dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is
even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and
accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or
have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves
about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the
freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know
peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of
terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation
remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are
made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.
Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists
and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is
not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire
continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and
brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known
for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not
stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in
1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of
immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold
War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President
Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.
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posted March 21, 2003 08:48 PM
I like.
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posted March 21, 2003 09:03 PM
Edited By: Zhooligan on 21 Mar 2003 22:21
Great info Team... The problem is the people you speak of and those that support them arn't willing to take the time to read this much information. And if it doesn't agree with their position in the first line of the text they won't read the remainder of the article, essay etc.
Often times it has been said "follow the money". What does Bush gain out of this war or for that matter being President? He already is a millionare so he gains pride and the satisfaction of accomplishing that which is important to him. The protestors are lead by professional protesters. Peopl and groups that get paid to protest. And the Hollywood fruitcakes are trying to reserect their careers and typically do their best bashing outside of the country.
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posted March 22, 2003 04:51 AM
Heck, I would expect from the info in that article that the Hollywood types would not even be able to read that article, too many big words in it!
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posted March 22, 2003 06:45 AM
The problem with Bush is not his education but his politics. The campaign in Iraq would have far greater world support if Bush was seen as representing a broader spectrum of the nation. Lets face it he is generally understood to be a president with a heavy leaning towards the interests of big business. So when he talks of a moral crusade such as liberating Iraq his motives are certainly going to be suspect. One of his biggest problems is international credibility.
The Iraq invasion would have far greater effect internationally had Bush spent more time being a statesman getting the rest of the world onside. As it is the US is seen more as a bully to achieve its own self interest. That is going to be the tragedy in this.
My fear is that the resentment this creates within the Arab world will make the US and it's citizens more of a target worldwide. Those of you that never leave the country it is of no consequence but many Americans travel all over the world. My concern is that for years to come they will be seen as having a target on their back. It is a real concern.
The US is doing the Iraqi people and the rest of the world a great service by taking out Hussein. I just hope American citizens don't pay a heavy price for it in the future.
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posted March 22, 2003 10:06 AM
The radical muslims already hate us, they might as well fear us too.
They have proved time and time again that they do not seek peace, how many times have they walked away from the table in Israel? Israel would negotiate for peace, but the radical muslims don't want peace, they want death to all infidels, especially the US and Israel.
They will never stop hating us, but if they fear us, they may be less troublesome. Look at Libya, you don't think he likes us anymore after we bombed him do ya? But he fears us and he has been pretty well behaved since Reagan spanked him.
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posted March 23, 2003 08:38 AM
Ask Native Americans what they think of immigration! We're all bastards of bastards, if we didn't hate people cos they were jews, blacks or ragheads, we'd hate hate them cos they ride hondas. Just get on with the fuckin job, we want cheaper petrol over here and better TV.
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posted March 23, 2003 10:04 AM
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LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!
BULLSHIT!
love it and change it when it's fukked up.
I happen to support the war in Iraq, but I also depend on the protestors to assure things are kept in perspective. The opposition and constant introspection is what tempers the steel that is America!! 
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posted March 23, 2003 01:57 PM
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quote:
LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!!
BULLSHIT!
love it and change it when it's fukked up.
I happen to support the war in Iraq, but I also depend on the protestors to assure things are kept in perspective. The opposition and constant introspection is what tempers the steel that is America!!
Makes good sense to me
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posted March 24, 2003 06:00 AM
I think we should have got an agreement from the rest of the world just like Russia did before they invaded Afganistan and so many other nations. I'm sure the Chinese are going to get world approval before they finally take over Tiawan. And can everyone remember Germany getting world approval before they steamrolled over half of Europe. Yeah, we're terrible people for acting in our own interests. Screw 'em all !!!!
 
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posted March 24, 2003 08:13 AM
Entropy
You call bull shit? Do you realise the the people (protestors) that you are counting on to temper the steal of America are mostly weak minde followers?
Just like people at a football game if one stands up and chears they all do.
Most of the protestors are just jumping on the band wagon because it new and contraversail, for exampal if I state that my ZX12R is faster because it the faster red color you are going to have 50 others say that the green color is faster and the blue color runs longer and gets beter gas milage.
You say bullshit I still say LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT.
I do agree that some things are messed up in the USA but at least we are free to try and change them.
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posted March 24, 2003 11:36 AM
Diverig,
yep, I call BULLSHIT on categorically saying "love it or leave it"
"Love it or leave it" was the mantra of dipshits during the Viet Nam war... I ain't falling for that noise then or now.
When the country decides to fight, we ALL need to get behind the soldiers, but we damn sure don't need to be stupidly saying the gov't is always right.
Once again, I LOVE the thought of kicking Saddam's ass, but I depend on "the opposition" to help all of us keep things in perspective.
And you analogy with the colors of ZX12's indicating things: bahahahahahaha!!!!! there is NO room fpr opposition there, GREEN IS THE FASTEST!!!
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posted March 24, 2003 05:35 PM
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Diverig,
yep, I call BULLSHIT on categorically saying "love it or leave it"
"Love it or leave it" was the mantra of dipshits during the Viet Nam war... I ain't falling for that noise then or now.
When the country decides to fight, we ALL need to get behind the soldiers, but we damn sure don't need to be stupidly saying the gov't is always right.
Once again, I LOVE the thought of kicking Saddam's ass, but I depend on "the opposition" to help all of us keep things in perspective.
And you analogy with the colors of ZX12's indicating things: bahahahahahaha!!!!! there is NO room fpr opposition there, GREEN IS THE FASTEST!!!
I'm with you 100%...except for the last bit.lol
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