madkaw74
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posted March 03, 2003 02:12 PM
pipes!!!
Here I am again wanting some experienced advice because no one knows a twelve except someone who rides a twelve.Question?, at Pipe city I can get a M- 4 standard mount aluminum finish, like I like, for $646 dollars delivered to my door. At Parts 411 I can get a stainless MUZZY polished oval canister full system for $630 delivered to my door. I have been in an info gathering mode for about 3 weeks now and the people I have been talking to are not really experts cause they dont ride zx 12's. Can you all give me honest feedback on these two pipes and what you know if any thing about the M-4 versus the Muzzy, sound , deeper of the two, better looking can, which pipe puts out lesser heat than the other. And just general comments, Im sure there has been something said about the two before but I didn't want to search all those pages.
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Zhooligan
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posted March 03, 2003 02:23 PM
The M4 pipe makes good power on SV650's and a few other bikes that I have seen. I can't honestly say that I have ever seen an M4 on a 12. The Muzzy pipe makes power, there are hundreds if not thousands of them on 12's, maps are available for the Muzzy pipe on almost any ZX12 board, let alone from Muzzy and dynojet. Muzzy and Doug Meyer are a part of this board and others, they answer questions personally, provide a wealth of knowledge, experience and research for the 12, and repacks and exhaust replacement parts are a mouse click away pretty much all the time for the Muzzy stuff. If your decission is between a Muzzy or an M4 the decission should be really easy.
Oh by the way I don't know what exactly you are looking for in regards to sound, but the Muzzy will just about make a Big Block Chevy blush! 
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posted March 03, 2003 03:41 PM
Oh by the way I don't know what exactly you are looking for in regards to sound, but the Muzzy will just about make a Big Block Chevy blush!
My brother had a full ti Muzzy on his zx9 and it would bring tears to your eyes, let alone every cop in the 7 counties So far, I love my Akrapovic. W.O. any mapping, or Power Commander, it put out 166 hp from the get go, and had no bad spots....
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posted March 03, 2003 04:17 PM
 Edited By: frEEk on 4 Mar 2003 16:27
Happy Reading - Here are a few Exhaust threads =
Micron serpent
akrapovic,hindle,ugggg,what to buy.
Muzzy,Akro,orHMF
Micron
Muzzy Exhaust wo PCIII?
Akropovic is..
Hindle exhaust
ZX12R Slip-ons
Another Akro question
Zemmys new muzzy
Not the usually Exhaust question
A different kind of poll
Many nebie questions answered
Aftermarket Exhaust for the Zx12R
Wjat full exhaust is best
Difference between 01 and 02 Muzzy
Muzzy Bolt on
HMF or Micron
Slip ons Bolt-ons vs. Full system
Yosh system experience
(edit: fixed a couple of links - frEEk)
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madkaw74
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posted March 03, 2003 05:57 PM
Thanks ZX-12 girl I just finished reading the links you gave me and they put me up on a lot of stuff I didn't know, like the headers melting the plastic, and bikes catching on fire, man that's some scary shit!! And just think, I was almost thinking of installing my own exhaust, I was talking to a couple of dudes at work and they were like man just install it yourself "SOMEONE WITH A JUST A LITTLE MECHANICAL KNOWLEDGE SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM" yeah right , I was almost convinced untill I read the threads you sent me, I just dont know about spending 150 dollars to have it installed!. The dude that told me this name is superdave and he owns GREENVILLE SUPERBIKE in Greenville S.C. in so many words he said since I WAS NOT buying the pipe thru him that I wouldn't qualify for the install discount HE SAID THAT I was proably buying the pipe from a warehouse and that the warehouse didn't care how my bike runs. He also said that the price also included dyno runs before and after so I can see what the pipe did. The whole time I was thinking bull@#$!. Any way I just wanted to share this experience with you all , this same man put a pipe on for me three years ago on a srad 750 for $ 120 and this was supposed to include some " supertuning" . enough about that I'm getting the MUZZY PIPE. THANKS AGAIN!!
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posted March 03, 2003 05:58 PM
holy moly! we need to move those to the library! nice werk sis!~
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posted March 03, 2003 06:00 PM
Hey... I installed the system myslef... wasnt that big a deal... you just have to be careful.... nothing will catch on fire ... just make sure you apply the heat tape in the correct amount in the correct places.... make sure you have new exhaust gaskets and a torque wrench.
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posted March 03, 2003 06:15 PM
Yeah I wouldn't get intimidated. The most dificult part of installing the exhaust is removing the body work. Be patient and it works. And my comment on brand was based on your listed 2 choices. Put the system in place don't tighten things until you have it in place all the way from front to rear. look at your clearances and then tighten things up. Don't be a tight wad, by 4 new exhaust header gaskets and spend a Saturday bonding with your bike.
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posted March 03, 2003 07:23 PM
Dude, I'll sell you a used 12R Muzzy Stainless Steel pipe with a Carbon canister instead of the polished canister for about HALF that price! 
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posted March 03, 2003 10:00 PM
BIKES CATCHING FIRE? HUH? WTF?
Oh... you must be talking about me.
There's one thing I have to make PERFECTLY CLEAR... the pipe had NOTHING to do with my little "mishap". Okay... OKAY... "MISHAPS"! Either one of them. What had a LOT to do with them was my COMPLETE STUPIDITY.
AGAIN... the pipe did NOT have anything to do with it. As a matter of fact, it wasn't until the SECOND "mishap", did I start to show signs of melted plastic. That was AFTER several dyno runs, over twenty THOSAND miles AND the first "mishap".
Since I'm the only one that has even mentioned anything about "bikes in flames", I figured that your comment had to be about my foolish actions (something I STILL won't go into "detail" about). If you read further into my posts on that subject, you will also see that I have had NO PROBLEMS with my Muzzy CF can. It still looks good today and has an additional 20,000 miles on it. That's close to 40,000 miles on a CF can.
Those comments are to show that if a Muzzy Ti header and CF canister can "survive" what I do to it, they can take anything the "average rider" can dish out and still last the life of the bike.
Just wanted to clear that up.
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posted March 04, 2003 04:12 PM
Rumor was, that a Muzzy Titanium pipe got too hot on a few 12R's. Titanium gets hotter than the SS pipe.
Thought I heard it even melted a bit of the fan gaurd.....
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posted March 04, 2003 04:34 PM
Just a rumor.......Old wives tail, or whatever you want to call it!!
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posted March 04, 2003 05:34 PM
Edited By: ZX12Girl on 4 Mar 2003 17:36
I agree with the guy's Madkaw74, I think that you'll be fine installing the exhaust on your own!!! I helped Kzz1 with mine. And if you have any questions, you can always ask one of the board members....hell of alot cheaper than $150+....That guy just want's your money!!!
Thanks for the editing freEK, My computer locked up and I wasn't able to double check the info that I posted!!!! You wanna be the bikeland.org back-up Secretary?? 
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posted March 04, 2003 06:47 PM
ur computer locked up eh? gee, ya wouldnt happen to be runnin,,,, WINDOWS..... would ya?
as to being a backup secretary, with my spelling & punctuation, that prolly wouldnt be the greatest idea
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posted March 04, 2003 06:58 PM
Titanium does not get hotter than stainless. Neither can get hotter than the exhaust inside the tube, of course, and given a few seconds to normalize they will both reach the same surface temp. Now, they will cool at slightly different rates because of the lesser mass of the ti. The stainless will hold the heat a little longer. That is because of the greater amount of heat "input" compared to the simple radiation of the heat "output".
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madkaw74
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posted March 04, 2003 07:47 PM
So Doug are you saying that when I replace my factory titanium system with a stainless system the exhaust will actually put off more heat!!! man I HOPE I didn't read that post correctly because I cant imagine any more heat from that pipe onto my ankles I imagine that pipe must be hell for female passengers at the beach with their legs directly above the canister for hours at a time in the hot heat!
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BA
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posted March 04, 2003 08:33 PM
Edited By: BA on 4 Mar 2003 20:33
Another myth diffused by DM!!
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kawachan
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posted March 04, 2003 11:19 PM
The factory pipe circulates the exhaust a few times before it exits. ALSO, unless you have cut it out, the factory pipe has a catalytic converter which gets pretty hot and holds more heat in the exhaust.
I would think an aftermarket exhaust would still be "almost" the same temperature, but I could be wrong!! Going by what DM said, the exhaust temp (from the same motor after installing an aftermarket pipe) would still be the same. But, maybe an aftermarket would be cooler since the gases go straight out of the pipe....???
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posted March 05, 2003 05:21 AM
hey MadKaw, that Ti stock pipe, is not Ti... only the canistor is Ti, the header is Stainless...
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