posted February 26, 2003 04:48 PM
GOZR, I'd like yur opinion on this.....no smart ass remarks. I would enjoy your take on it.....
Explosive Report: Jacques Chirac & Saddam Hussein Are Longtime Friends & Allies
February 19, 2003
On Tuesday night, I came across some explosive news about Jacques Chirac and Saddam Hussein on Stratfor.com. The news comes from the days when Chirac was mayor of Paris and the French premier, when he cultivated this outrageous personal relationship with Saddam Hussein. Three stories on this have come out, now. As the New York Times put it in 1986: "Chirac has said many times that he is a personal friend of Saddam Hussein."
It's almost as if someone is angry with Chirac, so they're releasing the truth about the French PM and the man in Baghdad he calls "my dear friend." It may well be one of these European countries that he scolded, insulted and threatened in his tantrum the other day. Bulgaria has compared France's "bully tactics" to those of the USSR. Chirac is acting irrationally, and there has to be more about this here than geopolitics or Bush hate.
These stories back up what I've been telling you lately: Chirac is blocking the liberation of Iraq because he doesn't want us to find out how much he personally - not France, but he - helped Hussein build WMDs. We already knew that they helped Saddam build that nuclear reactor which the Israelis took out in 1981. Now we have this letter from 1987, in which Chirac speaks in clouded language about helping Saddam rebuild that reactor and get weapons-grade uranium. You have to hear me read the details of all this in the audio link below.
There's More to It Than France Violating the Arms & Trade Embargos
Stratfor.com reports that what Chirac called his "close, personal relationship" with Saddam dates back to late 1974, when Chirac traveled to Baghdad and met the #2 man in Iraq: Vice President Hussein. During that visit, their main negotiation issue was Iraq's purchasing of nuclear reactors. In September 1975, Chirac personally took Saddam on a tour of a French nuclear plant. He expressed his desire to help Iraq with its nuclear program, and "the Iraqis bought a 70-megawatt reactor along with six charges of 26 points of uranium enriched to 93%." That's enough weapons-grade uranium to produce three to four nuclear devices.
Baghdad also purchased a one-megawatt "research reactor," and France agreed to train 600 Iraqi nuclear technicians and scientists. France also agreed to sell $1.5 billion worth of weapons to Iraq - for which they got a lucrative oil contract. In 1987, the Manchester Guardian Weekly quoted Chirac as saying that he was "truly fascinated" by Hussein.
This was Chirac's doing, on his own and separate from France's government. Former French President Valerie Giscard D'Estaing said exactly that in 1994. When President D'Estaing found out about this deal, he kyboshed it. In preparation for the 1988 presidential campaign, Chirac claimed he had nothing to do with that reactor destroyed in 1981. This gets Clintonesque! In August of 1987, French magazine Le Canard en Chain published excerpts of a letter from Chirac to Hussein. The magazine writes that the letter "speaks of the cooperation launched more than 12 years ago...for the sovereignty, independence and security of your country." This is amazing stuff - and it may just be the tip of the iceberg.
It's almost as though Iraq is France's #1 trading partner for oil and weapons. Chirac knows these Inspector Clouseaus will never uncover any evidence of his personal hand in arming Saddam, which is why he wants them given endless amounts of time. If Chirac was involved with that reactor and trying to get 93% enriched uranium to Saddam, then there's evidence to prove it, which we'll find if we invade. This is one of the things he's obviously trying to hide. The so-called idea that "it's just the French and they're pacifists" or trying to seek power at the EU may be true, but it doesn't explain this irrational behavior and the temper tantrums by Chirac - this news does.
posted February 26, 2003 06:48 PM
No ones knoes what the future reserve us..
Many business has been done and they are far to be anderstood by us.
And it is true that we are the most advance in Nuclear power plant technologies we sale them in the U.S .
Just read this it is something i posted not long ago.. Barely touch..
New York, NY, December 7, 1999 ... After a number of highly publicized lawsuits generated new awareness of the role big business played in the Holocaust, a clearer picture is emerging today of the relationships that existed between the Nazi regime and large German conglomerates.
The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), in an effort to present facts and offer a forum for debate, has published a series of essays that shed new light on German and American business practices during World War II, from the routine use of forced and slave labor to outright complicity with the Nazi campaign of genocide.
In the latest issue of Dimensions, a journal of Holocaust studies published by ADL's Braun Holocaust Institute, a panel of distinguished historians and experts examine evidence that has only recently surfaced as companies open their archives in an effort to recognize their moral obligation to acknowledge past wrongs.
"We now know that several of Germany's largest conglomerates and some American firms helped to promote genocide during the Holocaust and used slave labor to boost their bottom lines," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "Although the findings of these studies raise as many new and complex questions as they answer, the process indicates a positive turn towards honesty and openness."
posted February 26, 2003 07:02 PM
Edited By: GOZR on 26 Feb 2003 19:33
IBM Corporation's direct involvement in Genocide, Treason and War Crimes", the resolution condemned IBM for a "legal circumvention of American Law in the inhumane murder of 6,000,000 during World War II".
Just when we thought we knew all there was to know about the Holocaust, Edwin Black, in IBM and the Holocaust, provides us with the shocking documentation that the American corporate giant was instrumental in facilitating the implementation of Hitler's extermination of European Jewry. In recent years the roles various corporations, mostly European, but some with American links, played with the Nazis have been exposed. Now we have evidence that IBM, the icon of American business, was complicit in the Final Solution, putting profits above responsibility and morality.
IBM today must come to terms with this sordid chapter in its corporate history. America's icon of business owes it to itself, its employees, investors, customers, and, most importantly, to the memory of the six million Jews and millions of victims of the Nazis. The Holocaust continues to reveal itself, providing an expanded historical account and important lessons for today and the future.
"Behind the battle fronts in World War II, through intermediaries in Switzerland and North Africa, the New York financial elite collaborated with the Nazi regime, Captured files after the war yielded a mass of evidence demonstrating that for some elements of Big Business, the period 1941-5 was "business as usual."
"Standard Oil of New Jersey not only aided Hitler's war machine, but had knowledge of this assistance. Emil Helfferich, the board chairman of a Standard of New Jersey subsidiary, was a member of the Keppler Circle before Hitler came to power; he continued to give financial contributions to Himmler's Circle as late as 1944.
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There are so many ....
posted February 26, 2003 07:07 PM
Edited By: GOZR on 26 Feb 2003 19:20
When i think about all the shit going around an the truth coming up it make me want to puke ...knowing that Millions of europeans died because of it and it touk 2 years for the americans to enter in war..
posted February 27, 2003 07:54 AM
I'm not really sure abou the ADL and Nazi posts: there really wasn't much evidence there, just accusations.
I've suspected there is something behind Chirac and Schroeder's stance on Iraq. I figured they were selling stuff to him that they don't want the US to find out. That makes sense. The rest doesn't.
posted February 27, 2003 05:00 PM
even if it's not true, still amusing. Yesterday we talked to Mr. Aage Bjerre, the owner of that Pizzeria on the Danish island of Fanoe. Mr. Bjerre has banned all French and German nationals from his shop. The Germans will be allowed back if and when their country backs the U.S. against Saddam Hussein. The French ... never.
You asked for Mr. Bjerre's address so you could send him a letter of thans!
posted February 27, 2003 05:32 PM
Edited By: GOZR on 27 Feb 2003 17:48
Evidence..evidence..evidence yea yea right..
Actualy by separate ourself from each others it is the way that those fanatics like saddam and bin laden could win..
The ones who separate us ( europeans and Americans ) are fucking retards and i considerate them like terrorists..(like your Mr. Aage Bjerre
.. think of that)
We have differents opinions on HOW TO GET SADDAM... we are not against each other..
I totaly agreed to get Saddam ,Bin Laden and all in entourage..
We need to use all our resouces to justified a WAR or any violents actions .. If we act violently toward them we will make them Martirs.. and that is the thing to ovoid...
posted February 27, 2003 10:40 PM
I just gotta say that the French treated the Griswolds pretty nasty in "European Vacation". I hope that movie isn't indicative of how it really is in Paris.
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posted February 27, 2003 11:06 PM
Edited By: niuhi on 27 Feb 2003 23:10
GOZR it's my opinion that we should leave others alone until they do something to us to warrant kicking their ass. I also think it's a shame that our country lost so many lives helping to liberate France from the Germans. I think that from this point on we should assist those that assist us and those that don't, well fend for yourself. Personaly I can't see how a country as ass backwards as France could even be on the same playing field let alone have the ability to cast a veto vote. They are nothing but a bunch of whining, forgetful, pompous, arrogant, pussies who deserve to be slapped back to the forties when they were getting their asses handed to them by their buds, the Germans.
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quote:GOZR it's my opinion that we should leave others alone until they do something to us to warrant kicking their ass. I also think it's a shame that our country lost so many lives helping to liberate France from the Germans. I think that from this point on we should assist those that assist us and those that don't, well fend for yourself. Personaly I can't see how a country as ass backwards as France could even be on the same playing field let alone have the ability to cast a veto vote. They are nothing but a bunch of whining, forgetful, pompous, arrogant, pussies who deserve to be slapped back to the forties when they were getting their asses handed to them by their buds, the Germans.
mahalo!
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posted February 28, 2003 09:19 AM
Edited By: GOZR on 28 Feb 2003 09:20
A good friend of mine "Domi" was riding his 955 Triumph around Marin county when a cager saw that DOmi had a french" F" sticked to the rear of his helmet..
The cager by passing him showed his frustration about the French cituation by all the gests you can imagine but the trouble was when the cager tryed to push the bike out of the road in many occasions and then desapeared.. Luckly Domi could manege to ovoid the accidents.
That was 2 days ago.. my self i have to move now because my land lord do not aprouve our politic..
That is terrorism.. Bunch of Fuck face pussies Americans shit they are..
posted February 28, 2003 09:23 AM
Saddam's game is only survival. He considers that as long as he is in power he is winning.
He really is a conundrum. Mostly because we (Americans) can't claim in all honesty to be deposing him in the name of humanitiarianism. If that's the case we got a lot of ass kicking to do - even for those who support us (Pakistan etc).
He is playing this out as long as he can. This is typical for Saddam:
UN: You are in violation
Saddam: No I'm not.
UN: Inspect, inspect, inspect, weeks, months....
UN: Destroy these things that are in violation
Saddam: I'm not in violation
Weeks, months go by while the UN bickers - meanwhile Saddam continues on.
UN: You have until X to destroy your missles.
Saddam: Or else what?
Weeks, months go by while the UN bickers - meanwhile Saddam continues on.
UN: Okay, NOW disarm and destroy these things or else we'll blast your ass, and do it by x day.
Saddam: Nah. I'm not in violation.
Weeks, months go by while the UN bickers - meanwhile Saddam continues on.
UN: Okay. We're giving you yet another last chance. We've assembled a force on your borders and we're ready to kick your ass. Destroy those missles.
Saddam: Okay, but only a couple of them. See? I'm cooperating...
Weeks, months go by while the UN bickers - meanwhile Saddam continues on.
He makes the UN look stupid and all involved are wasting time, energy, and money with large armies deployed.
Force is the only thing Saddam understands. Without the direct use of it, he will delay, survive, and distract as long as he can.
quote:A good friend of mine "Domi" was riding his 955 Triumph around Marin county when a cager saw that DOmi had a french" F" sticked to the rear of his helmet..
The cager by passing him showed his frustration about the French cituation by all the gests you can imagine but the trouble was when the cager tryed to push the bike out of the road in many occasions and then desapeared.. Luckly Domi could manege to ovoid the accidents.
That was 2 days ago.. my self i have to move now because my land lord do not aprouve our politic..
That is terrorism.. Bunch of Fuck face pussies Americans shit they are..
GOZR, yeah, that's not right. Sucks, man. People who do that, in reality, are no better than Nazis.
I have no quarrel with the Iraqi people: on the contrary, I feel sorry for them. They will suffer (and have suffered) because of Hussein. But on the other hand, I do have to wonder why the hell they haven't done anything about him themselves if he's so horrible to them...
But hey, the Frech did give us menage a trois (And I'm sure I didn't spell that right). Gotta love that.
posted February 28, 2003 11:47 AM
Gozr you are right it is wrong and against the laws of this country. People are entitled to their opinions. However, I would tell you this. If I were in another country common sense tells me that it would be smart to choose my forums wisely to pitch and or talk about my politics, and I don't think I would run around with a bumper sticker of any kind that singled myself out.
Kind of like driving through some ethnic neighborhood with a KKK sticker on your rig. It is a gainst the law to beat the guy up, but the reality is it will probably happen! We all owe it to ourselves to use some common sense.
I can also tell having gone to France a number of times over the years that announcing that you are an American usually results in poor service, price gouging, verbal abuse, and more then my fair share of no rooms available etc. etc. Been there and have no plans of returning.
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posted February 28, 2003 12:40 PM
Edited By: GOZR on 28 Feb 2003 12:44
You must ask yourself why am i in the U.S..? hum I'm starting to question myself now but i have meet some great americans peoples and Friends that make me enjoyed the U.S and Hope for the best because it is to my eye one great country and so beautyfull that on my way i fight for egality, liberty and fraternity for all and not to do the same mistake that Europe did on the Past.
And my wife is American..
I have my "F" also on my riding suit and nothing will make me take it out...
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