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posted February 20, 2003 08:09 AM
Hey Otis.........
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What's up Rick? How's the new woman?
You've got mail. 
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posted February 20, 2003 08:26 AM
Zhoo, the worse thing you said (I ass u me you are kidding) is that we get 2 votes, Maryland & Virginia!
Moody, Glad that you are one of the "Few" independent thinkers, Best man for the highest position.
Bush and his team that got him into office, The "Non" Political, States rights Supreme Court that over turned what I state was doing to clean up the mess they made! Bush is a president, not by the Majority of Voters, but by a 5 to 4 decision in the Supreme Court, Including UNCLE (Clarence) THOMas. A man that grew up on what his mother and he received on affirmative action and state support which he now turns his back on. This turned out to be the best move the elder bush made, it "Gave" his son the election, for the first time in History, we do not have an "Elected" president, but an "Appointed" President!
About Fulbright, My Mother did things I did and still do not like, do you think I love her less?
To everyone else, I like everyone on this board because without and Name Calling, we have jumped all over each other about Politics, and I still have the same opinion of everyone. as some said it best, we just plain disagree about this, but we do have great taste in Motorcycles..
The comment about a Street Named Martin Luther King, I finally found "1" street named this where it was the "BEST" Street in town and Beautiful!
Evansville Indiana It is where all of the Court Houses and monuments are! Most surprising thing I have seen! Normally, when you are on MLK , you are in one of the worse sections of town!
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posted February 20, 2003 08:58 AM
Of course I was kidding! I know you actually get three if you count Florida!!
I heard a joke actually last week. About a guy who saw a Vision and it was Martin Luther King. He asked Mr. King if there was anything he would like for him to pass on to the rest of the world. Martin Luther thought for a moment and said there are alot of things but on a personal note, could he ask everyone to to stop putting his name on on all those all worn out roads in crappy neighborhoods!
Definitely a true statement at least in the Cities I've lived in and or visited.
Bill Clinton received less votes then Bush did when he was elected. Also let's remember that after recounting votes in Florida a zillion times the special interest groups still couldn't invent enough votes for Gore. The Supreme court stopped the BS. The funny thing is that when the court rules against liberals it is always biased and when they rule for them it is just fairness?
If the media had stayed out of the election and not manipulated the process the election would have been different. Living on the East Coast you don't have a clue about the impact of the media. Long before the polls had closed on the East Coast the Media gave / announced Gore the winner of Florida and therefore the winner of the entire election. I went to the poll frustrated pissed off etc anyway and cast my vote. Many and I mean many others up and down the Coast did not bother to vote because they were informed that Gore had won. Their voote was meaningless. That made a huge difference in the ultimate turnout and vote count. That along with the fact that the media called the vote in Florida with an hour left to vote in Florida's panhandle even. The panhandle is and was a highly pro Bush area. But they had been told it was over and so many of them did not vote.
It is one thing to be an idiot and not understand how to vote. But to call the elction before it was over influenced the results significantly. This is not conjecture it is reality.
Had the election been allowed to happen without this crap Bush would have had an even larger majority in Florida and more votes across the country. And some of the really close Senate and Congressional races may have went the other way as voters that turned around after hearing it was over may very well have voted differently. In Washington State we had a Senate race decided on about a thousand votes. Believe me there were far more more then a thousand republican voters that decided not to vote based on the television announcement. And historically when the race is called early the winner's supporter like to pile on so they can proudly say they voted and the loser's voters stay home and sulk. Thats human nature. Thats why the media should not be able to say shit about the election until it is over 100%. The polls are closed in every state period.
You Democrats can rationalize all this we got hosed stuff you want, but the fact is CBS, NBC,ABC, CNN, MSNBC etc. they really decide what and where you all are going to do.
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posted February 20, 2003 10:10 AM
I have also seen Comedians making Jokes about MLK Ave and Street, that is why I was so surprised to see the "Best" Street in town named after him.
I disagree with the assessment of the Florida vote and feel that if the Ballots had not been a problem, it would have been all over! Maybe, this will surprise you (and others), but I do not like Gore either. The only difference is that Gore has an un pickeled Brain and Bush does not! They both could benefit from a speaking class, Gore to change his voice and Bush to pronunce words ("Gooder" was the worse). Like I also said, I voted for Andersen, just so I could vote "FOR" someone vs. against someone. Clinton to me is also like Anthony Goebert, someone with a lot of Potential that allows it to be wasted. Bush is more like Kurtis Roberts, has the name, but tends to over do until he has a problem and the Father was better than the son. Like KR JR, Jeb Bush has a lot more class than George ever will!
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VincentHill
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posted February 20, 2003 10:13 AM
12R pilot, you seem to be too intelligent to have any wool pulled over your eyes, Yes or NO, Bush is "Smarter" than Clinton (Thinking / Brain power)
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posted February 20, 2003 10:21 AM
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Be over with this thread already. Vincent I may not agree at all with your perception of things in the political and social arena, but I do need to state this very clearly. While I may be a Rebublican and a Constitutionalist which flys in the face of what you may believe, you can trust me when I say I would certainly be someone who you could very easily sit down and drink a beer with and go on a ride with and trust as a friend. Politics doesn't decide friendship, neither does race or wealth. Honesty to, loyalty to and willingness to fight for, those deicide friendship.
Peace.
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posted February 20, 2003 11:49 AM
Just fuckin' hold hands why don't ya.......
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Be over with this thread already. Vincent I may not agree at all with your perception of things in the political and social arena, but I do need to state this very clearly. While I may be a Rebublican and a Constitutionalist which flys in the face of what you may believe, you can trust me when I say I would certainly be someone who you could very easily sit down and drink a beer with and go on a ride with and trust as a friend. Politics doesn't decide friendship, neither does race or wealth. Honesty to, loyalty to and willingness to fight for, those deicide friendship.
Peace.
Well put Otis, and I'll add a "True that" for ya. Otis is a pretty laid back individual for a "Motown Crackhead".
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posted February 20, 2003 12:01 PM
Quite down out there in the barn ya puck ass redneck! LOL
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posted February 20, 2003 12:34 PM
LOL!!!
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Quite down out there in the barn ya puck ass redneck! LOL
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posted February 20, 2003 01:04 PM
Otis, I hate to agree with anything you said, but the truth is in your last statement for just about everyone here. That is what is so wierd to me is people that are 180 degrees apart and get along 100%. This country is more like a Salad, than a stew. Very little blending, but we all live under the same dressing (Which changes every 4 years!)
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posted February 20, 2003 01:13 PM
God. I think I'm going to throw up.  :
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posted February 20, 2003 01:14 PM
Heh heh.
C'mon guys, it was a joke!
Damn. Serious about arguing, and then serious about making up.
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posted February 20, 2003 02:41 PM
Better to clear the air with talk than what they do elsewhere where you also cannot talk either! (Who ever heard of 100% Turn out and 100% vote for someone? If Jesus could not do it where he was here, then Who does Sadam think he is fooling?) I had fun!
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posted February 20, 2003 04:44 PM
Edited By: moodybluezx12r on 20 Feb 2003 17:23
okay....truce...i've had enough of bashing you conserves and the prez...more than anything i support our military and hope our boys come back home safe...even though i'm critical of the way bush is handling the irag thing...when the first shot is fired i go into to support mode...of our troops not bush 
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posted February 20, 2003 04:49 PM
12RPilot ...yep.
I can't believe someone here said something about "personal responsibility" and was talking about a politician. Most are lawyers and who are the biggest scumbags on earth?? What we need is the common sense party, a party that doesn't tax you to death and one that doesn't give a rats ass about what you do in your bedroom. Along with fixing the hundreds of other issues that both parties screw up. I would consider myself a republican (as registered) but Bush could care less about you and me, if he did he would pay attention to what affects us right now... the economy, Hussain has been dicking around for 12 or so years what is the big rush now? Anyway just go get a sniper and take him out and take the rest of the money, hire someone compitent and find Bin Lauden. And having a religious zealot as an attorney general sure doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.
As for taxes, talk about the fuzzy end of the lollypop. Try writing a 6 figure check to the IRS.
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posted February 20, 2003 05:24 PM
truce! fuck you guys keep going! what else am I gonna read??
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posted February 20, 2003 08:03 PM
i'll bite
LAST CHANCE?
Don't you just love all those people who are talking about George Bush and his "rush to war" in Iraq.
James Taranto had some interesting headlines in his "Best of the Web" Wall Street Journal Online column yesterday (link below). Here are some headlines about Saddam's "last chance." Look at the dates.
"Hussein will be given 'a last chance to comply before he gets clobbered,' The New York Times on Monday quoted an unidentified U.S. official as saying."--CNN.com, Jan. 27, 1998
"Annan Admits Iraq Trip Could Be Last Chance for Peace"--CNN.com, Feb. 18, 1998
"Clinton: Iraq Has Abused Its Last Chance"--CNN.com, Dec. 16, 1998
"The White House suggested Wednesday that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has missed his 'last chance' to disarm."--CNN.com, Dec. 18, 2002
"Future European Union members endorsed a joint declaration Tuesday warning Saddam Hussein he has one last chance to disarm."--Associated Press, Feb. 18, 2003
Now .. what's this "rush to war" nonsense?
as far as the voting thing goes, you may be right, perhaps the majority did not say bush. the recount did put him ahead, and it was a VERY public and VERY supervised recount, much to the dismay of the DNC (who called for it originally...) it is my opinion that if there were no recount, gore would be president.
the supreme court did not appoint a president, a president was elected based on the election laws in effect at the time of the election. were there question to the validity of hte election laws, the suit should have been filed BEFORE the election, not after the count was in. the supreme court, by one vote, chose to side with the law as it was written. this is what JUDGES do. does the law make sense? well apparently it was controversial enough to merit a split like that. perhaps that law should be explored and changed, if it is not clear. remember, the court justices have NO vested interest in EITHER party getting elected, they are justices until they decide it is enough (or they break the law)
the problem is that the USA was built on rule of law, and the politicians need to remember that. unfortunately, every time one gets away with breaking the law, they further the demise of the institution
as far as the voters being disenfranchised, adn the election notbeing majority for bush, get this. the USA is NOT a democracy. the federal government is NOT majority rule. sorry, but it was never meant to be that way, and i pray it never does. the federal government (president, congress, supreme court) are all there for the republic. they are there for the union of states. they are there for the preservation and protection OF that union, to ensure none of the states have THEIR rights or property or borders infringed upon.
the state level is where the people have the power.
hte local government should be the strongest as far as individual concerns go
people are unhappy, their vote doesn't count.
and it is true, in broad sense, if their local group isn;t in the majority of the union, (let's say,small rural vs big city folk) they are out of luck, since the federalization of everything has removed that individual attention from the local governments.
federal government is NOT designed to handle individual or small interest groups. it is designed to deal with things for the country as a whole.
National defense? yes. Border security? on a seaboard, yes. land bound areas? perhaps, depends on the extent of the incursion. the state militia should be able to handle its own borders though, unless there is an all out attack.
welfare? no. state/local *IF* at all. federalized medical care? again, this is state/local level. education? state.
the federalization of state powers has been happenning since the mid 1800s, bolstered by the federal government's win in the 'civil' war. this has meant a decline inthe 'street value' of your votes. the bigger the voting pool, the smaller the usefulness of your vote.
when my vote now in one election has to decide with one candidate, ALL the issues i find important, it is easy to see why there are SOO many things that go wrong.
the federal govt has SO much power over our lives, and our individual votes count for crap in those issues. unless we happen to agree with every other voter....
if you get a chance, read the federalist papers, there is a lot of background to why the constitution was written the way it was. a lot of information as to the basics of why it was set up as a democratic republic vice a democracy.
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posted February 21, 2003 06:10 AM
Vince called me intelligent. He's my new hero. LOL. Funny, when I was in politics, few called me anything nice. (sigh)
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posted February 21, 2003 03:41 PM
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