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posted February 17, 2003 05:25 AM
The Difference Between The Liberal and Conservative
The Difference Between The Liberal and Conservative
"Debate" Over The War On Terrorism:
Question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small
children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around
the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand
is a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he
reaches you and your family. What do you do?
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Liberal Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man
look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring
him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the
kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out
of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Is it possible
he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or
would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold
on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so
confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for few days to try to
come to a conclusion.
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Conservative Answer:
BANG!
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Texan's Answer:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (sounds of
clip being ejected and fresh clip installed)
Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving, what do you kids
think?"
Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..."
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
Daughter: "Nice grouping Daddy!"
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posted February 17, 2003 05:39 AM
.....and when the police ask why you shot him eighteen times, your answer is "because I ran out of bullets"
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posted February 17, 2003 06:03 AM
hopefully the guy the conservative shot was another conservative trying to explain how happy he was because he just killed three deer and was about to skin them..
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posted February 17, 2003 07:31 AM
So now you want to kill conservatives moody? Wish us dead do ya? Humm, you're character is becoming quite clear. Kill the people who believe in Personal Responsibility, kill the people who believe it's a free country, kill the people who believe that it's up to the individual to make his own world and earn his own wealth, not the Gov'ts. Kill the people who believe they should be able to KEEP what they earn and not have it taken from them to give to some slouch on welfare with 5 kids. Yeah, you're someone to take seriously LOL.
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posted February 17, 2003 07:56 AM
Deer? Ummmmmm... GOOD! Quail... rabbit... duck... REAL GOOD!
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posted February 17, 2003 08:10 AM
Otis,
That's why I keep the 30 round mag in my Ruger P-89, I hate changing clips!
Like the old saying goes " I'd rather be tried by a jury of 12 than carried by pallbearers of 6"
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posted February 17, 2003 08:24 AM
I shoot IPSC....reloading is nothing....:P dont even think about it, but my training woudl say hold off on shooting that individual untill he shows hostility towords me....then he is toast......
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posted February 17, 2003 09:44 AM
quote:
So now you want to kill conservatives moody?
actually no i dont support killing anyone..unless needed...i'm just trying to show you how your trigger happy scenerio could back fire..
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posted February 17, 2003 09:53 AM
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Kill the people who believe in Personal Responsibility, kill the people who believe it's a free country, kill the people who believe that it's up to the individual to make his own world and earn his own wealth, not the Gov'ts. Kill the people who believe they should be able to KEEP what they earn and not have it taken from them to give to some slouch on welfare with 5 kids. Yeah, you're someone to take seriously LOL.
see you conservatives think you own morality..i believe in a free country, responsibility and putting welfare persons to work ( but not throwing them in their 5 children on the street)...actually in my scenerio the conservative killed the conservative..not the liberal 
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posted February 17, 2003 10:27 AM
"trigger happy scenerio " Humm, waiting through 12 years of this bullshit is trigger happy? OK when is a good time? When would it not be considered trigger happy? After 12 more years of saddam torchering his people, or maybe after a few more sept 11th's? How long is enough?
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posted February 17, 2003 10:51 AM
Well let me handle this delicately.......
If some fucker comes running at me, screaming obscenities, and is armed with a knife......???? Gee,,....ah,.....what do I do????? I'd say that he needs a little lead in his diet asap. 
Honestly, I have been through some training on things like this. (scary I know) To get a concealed carry permit in Tennessee you must complete the proper training, and qualify on a firing range. I'd never lay waste to someone unless I was absolutely sure there was no other way out of the situation. I hope I never get put in that position, but if I do, and it comes down to me or them, I'm straight blastin' that MF. The scenario with the guy in Otis' post could be handled in more than one way. IMHO a stupid MF running wild with a knife deserves to be shot, but if it isn't a clearcut case of self defense you'll be on your way to the crossbar hotel.
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posted February 17, 2003 12:56 PM
Edited By: VincentHill on 17 Feb 2003 13:00
The Conservatives are trying to make it a "Free" country! The do not want to pay Reagans Bills he ran up in the 80's and give all of the money back that the rich pay in taxes and feel that the Law is for everyone but them! The Word Conservative is is really the wrong word for them, because they want to use up all of the natural resources screw up the enviroment and leave the debt to their children to pay!
I have a Mossberg 500 with a 16 inch barrel and pistol Grip Handle that can fold to Shoulder stock and a cooling screen on the Barrel along with an 6 extra shell holder mounted! I have 1 Bird shot and the rest is 00 Magnum! Since each shell has 12 .32 slugs, when I empty the Gun, I have shot 60 slugs into who ever came in un invited plus the warning Bird Shot. I can live forever if someone comes in my house and gets the drop on me and does what ever! I could never stand living with myself if someone came in and I dialed 911 and kept getting the Busy Signal and then the Person did what ever!
What does Gun Ownership and protecting yourself have to do with wheather or not you love Bush and his parties Ideas? Speaking of Bush, personally he is great for Job security. Since I am into Credit & Collections. I am the last person that they want to fire right now! It was only when Clinton was in office and everyone had a Job and could pay their bills that I was worried!
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posted February 17, 2003 01:50 PM
Vincent.... That's because Bush Senior and Reagan handed Clinton a robust economy. And Clinton handed over an economy going into the tank.
Vincent the President can't sign a check. The Democrats controlled the Congress and Senate while Reagan was president. And if killing the Soviet Union without a war and a nuclear holocast is bad then I am confused. The real problem is the democrats spend money like its free and everyone of them then blame it on the Republicans. If the democrats are so friggin good why is they claim they have the plan to fix the economy, feed the world, end all war, employ everyone, take care of the elderly, etc. etc. and they just refuse to show the plan. Sounds like BS to me. Someone has to pay the bills and tell the truth.
The Republicans did not take money paid by the poor and give it to the rich as preached by the democrats. They took taxes paid in by the rich which according to democrats are people with combined incomes of over $80,000 and gave some of that tax money back to those who paid it.
When democrats will talk about facts. Specific items and or issues instead of your being screwed, the rich are ripping you off, we feel your pain etc. then maybve we can talk reality. Your poster child Bill Clinton, who feels your pain and is the greatest man ever, yada yada yada is a life time politician. Never had an honest job in his life. Never owned a home an his only automobile was old ford mustang. And yet he left the White House a Millionaire, stilling the tax payers, china, furniture and historical artifacts (sp?). That is the man you democrats look up to for guidance, inspiration and truth. And let us not forhet about the pardons and other fine things the poster child of the democratic party did. And at this time in our history we are busy spending money tryin to rebuild our nations defense that Mr. Clinton essentially let go, stole the money from to pay for his other programs. And now chooses to blame on the Republican President.
I would have to ask you a question. If you have or had a 16 year daughter who would you feel the most comfort with in sending her off for a weekend camping trip. Mr. Bush or Mr. Clinton. If you had to relie on the word of of one of these men. No word smith just trust in his word. Would you honestly trust Mr. Clinton? I really don't believe that in your heart of hearts that you can honestly say that you believe Mr. Clinton is an honest man. Bush has been a man of honor, ssays it like is and does what he says. Meanwhile, the posterboy of the democratic party Mr. Clinton is still legacy building.
Your comment about your guns are funny. You essentially are willling to support a party that wants your guns more then anything else. If guns in the hands of honest citizens is so bad, why is it that the murder rate is higher the city's and states with the most gun control? Washington DC, New York City, LA, California, Chicago etc. Pretty easy to go into a guys house when you have a 90% or better chance of going into a house protected by a telephone. Come into my home in Washington State where guns are legal, a concealed weapons permit is easy to obtain for an honest citizen and gues what you are liable to get shot.
Your job is secure not because of Bush but because America has over spent and over borrowed itself to death. The .com boys of the 90's are finally having to face reality. They were selling nothing but ideas and thin air. And ultimately, has it has always been in the case with the stock market, the selling of thin air finally catches up with everyone and the market makes a correction.
At least we can agree that it is a cool thing that we live in a country where we can disagree (even if I am right ) freely and still enjoy and rail each other about our motorcycles.
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posted February 17, 2003 03:27 PM
notice the difference between conservatives and republicans
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i find myself leaning towards libertarian, squelch the big govt and go back to a more individual-accountability idealogy.
for gun control: new york state and vermont share a border. vermont has NO concealer carry laws, NO gun control laws for CITIZENS.
New york has many strict and onerous gun control laws.
why is it vermont is statistically (due to population density differences) one of the safest places to live, and new york one of the least? food for thought....
as far as the current administration goes, and even the past one, there are times i agreed with what was happenning, and other times that i vehemently disagree. last administration for example, backing down and letting hussein have his way. this administration? the patriot act, the ministry of homeland defense etc. in my opinion, those two acts are the worst thing this past decade has seen.
to attempt to blame the economy on the president inthe first year or 2 is stupid. the president has no more control over that then he does over what hussein will babble next. the incoming president can and will be left with whatever the last 2 presidents have sown. plain and simple. he CAN have negative impact, or positive impact, but again it is not going to be overnight.
it is historical, documented, and proven FACT that tax cuts precede economic growth, and tax increases precede economic falling off. these are incontrovertible fact.
i can hear the class warfare thing next....don't even start. if i told you that i made over $100000 a year, would you think i was stealing it from the poor people? does that salary mean that i am no longer working and that i am just sucking up money? or does it mean that after 15 years in a profession that i have made it to a point where i am getting paid in accordance with my responsibility and merits?
"but why does a CEO of a company make so much money? he doesn't do anything but go to meetings and play golf" soooo how did that guy become CEO? did he start the company? from scratch? did he stick with it and pour his money and partner's money and energy into it? work long hours to make it work when the idea was new? so now, 20 years later, he plays golf, and goes to meetings.... sooo. what are his resposnibilities? now it isn't just him and a partner, but all the people who work for him, he needs to make sure the company stays profitable to protect THEIR welfare as well. Also investors, THEY are relying on his decisions to keep THEIR investments sound. and don't forget, retirement accounts. my retirement is based on economic growth, and i daresay, most other retirement accounts are the same way. in my eyes,the guy that is keeping the companies inthe black and profitable, is worth the salary he gets, and shouldn't have to give it away.
you can then go to corrupt big business, and well, yup,there ARE indeed criminals at all financial classes. people get greedy and screw people over. guess what, it happens to everyone nomatter how rich or poor.
this brings us back to the basic issue, human nature. some people value others. they value another person's ideas, thoughts, presence.
then there are people who could care less about anyone besides themselves. they also tend to blame everyone EXCEPT themselves when they get a raw deal....
unfortunately the big push of liberals and moderates too, is to abolish the individual, for "the sake of the society" socialism is based on this principle. that the whole is more valuable then the one. and, in an ideal world, this would be true, as EVERYONE would value everyone else. they would all care, work, and be HAPPY as contributing.
but then the reaslization is made, that the whole IS composed of individuals. it is this individuality that makes us WORTH something. if everyone was the same and there was no *I*, we would be ants.
socialism will never work though. there are too many people who see nothing but personal gain. at any expense. you CANNOT legislate morality, values, or decency. these character traits belong to the individual. and cannot be mandated.
i would like to know VH, why do you feel that conservatives want to destroy the environment, use up all the natural resources.
also, i may be wrong, but i believe that a shotgun must have a barrel length of at least 18" and a total overall length of 26 inches per the National Firearms Act of 1934 (the first step the USA took in negating the 2nd ammendment) if you have not registered that weapon, and paid the taxes due, watch out for the BATF, they come calling with automatic silenced weapons and shoot dogs, kids, and nursing mothers.
also, in clinton years,the unemployment rate was 0.0% ? i guess that the unemployment offices were closed then as well ;P
  
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posted February 17, 2003 05:29 PM
When it comes down to survival, liberalism is a luxury.
The accumulation and hording of power is not conservatism, it's facism.
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posted February 17, 2003 06:40 PM
!6 inch Barrel and 26 over all length I read the Book before I made my gun. I do not like Gun Control and DC has one of the Tighest Gun laws in the country, but also has one of the worse Crime rates in the country. Everyone including me bought their gun in Maryland or Virginia!
The Best Person does not make the Best President! Carter was possible the best "Person" and one of the worst Presidents we have ever had. One thing is he is possible the best EX President we have ever had also.
The Congress is like a map of the world and you can go any place. The "President" Points the Direction. Plus in this case, his party also controls congress.
We had these Tax cuts under Reagan and David Stockman who had the plan was kicked out when he said that the plan would not work. Up to the time of Reagan, (200 years) the economy had "1" Trillion dollar National debt. When Reagan left Offcie we had 2 Trillion in debt and we are still paying for it!. The point about tax cuts is brain washing, The truth is that when you only have a finite amount of money to borrow and the Government is borrowing all of it, that increases the interest rates which which raises inflation which also causes the government to need more money to pay the interest which means the tax dollar can purchase less. It is a vicious cycle
This CYCLE was worse when Richard Nixon was president and created something never seen before "StagFlation" Inflation with a stagnet economy!
The worse thing to me is that everyone on this board must live with in their means. We must pay our bills. Even when we live on a credit card, we still have credit limits and must pay the bill! The present plan is to increase the Credit card limit and "Reduce" the income and spend more. I never thought I would see the day that the Democrats were for paying the National debt and the Republicans were for increasing it?
The enviroment. The people living in California sit at the Beach an see nothing but Oil wells! Then when the tighter controls are restricting production are removed and you have an Oil spill, just the cost of doing Business! The Acid Lakes in Upper New York are a result of High Sulfer Coal without the Scrubbers that would remove the acid, but would cost Big Business so are not required. The Logging of out trees and then sending them to Japan and we get less oxygen and Mud Slides. I still remember when the economy was so bad that we needed money from other countries just to get along! Bush in Japan Begging them for money and then getting sick! I felt sick
There were 12 years of republicans, from 1980 to 1992. If all of this works so well, then why in 12 years could they not get the job done when Clinton only took 4 years to turn it around. If the replulicans were in office for 20 years and a Democrat came in and did good, We would still hear the same story "The republicans laid the Ground work for the success the Democrat had". WHy cannot they have their own success!
I am not about to take one thing I do not like for having everything I don't want! This next statement is not meant to be racist. If I was not Black, then I would more likely consider being a Republican, because their party would more fit how I want to be, but I am not so I am not a Republican!
BTW, When Carter ran for a second Term, I voted for Anderson! Being in the Credit Business for 35 years, I have seen it all and right now, it is starting to be the worst I have ever seen. I love verbal intercourse like this when people can Seriously Disagree , but Still agree on the things that put them on this board! Bikes and Speed!
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posted February 17, 2003 06:41 PM
The Bush administration is definitely leaning towards the wealthy. Example, the proposed new tax package they are pushing. One key element is the elimination of paying tax on dividends. Why, because the money earned has been already taxed!! Hey, GREAT idea I agree. But then why not eliminate the tax on interest earned, same situation applies, original money already been taxed. I will tell you why, only about 25% of the general population has ANY exposure to dividends. But, which 25% do you think it is? the poorest or the wealthiest? If he eliminates dividend taxes he should eliminate interest taxes also. Even Greenspan could only say, in the LONG TERM(dividends tax elim) it should help everyone. What do you think LONG TERM means?
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posted February 17, 2003 07:38 PM
Edited By: rs on 17 Feb 2003 19:41
Everyone likes to jump on the fact that the tax cuts will benefit the wealthy more than the poor. It should benefit them more as the government has unfairly taxed the wealthy to begin with.
I'd like to see a flat rate for personal income tax. Not a percentage rate, but a dollar amount that every adult in the U.S. would pay. That is really the only fair way to go about it. Why should someone pay more just because they make more. Do you pay a different price at the theater, grocery or other retail store?
I'll use myself as an example here. Both me and my wife come from poor families and neither of us have any education after high school. We were married with children before either of us could legally drink alcohol. Now we both work and have two children in college. How is it fair that our share of federal tax is over $10,000 when I have other family members who will get most (if not all) of what they paid in back and on top of that they will receive earned income credit. So for the same rights and representation it cost my wife and I over $10,000 a year to live in this country, while the government is paying my other family members to live here. Sounds fair to me!
The real problem is that the government has grown so large and has so many programs that it would really turn everything upside down and inside out if the tax laws were changed to make them fair. As someone posted before, it would also be political suicide for anyone to back such a plan.
We should cut all handouts (not programs were you pay in, i.e. social security) and let the families, churches and comunities care for their own. You should reap what you have sown, not what others have sown. If you feel like we should provide housing and feed others, then go ahead and help them out. Just don't demand that others do the same. And why do people who don't work, or don't try to better their situations, deserve to live in the same neighborhoods as people who are working their asses off?
Ok, enough ranting for one post. Just venting as it has been a trying day.
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posted February 17, 2003 07:41 PM
Well said Zhooligan. The democrats love to blame Regan for the overspending of the congress that was controlled by the democrats.
Clinton has never earned a paycheck. He never had a mortgage. He never financed a car.
He did go around fucking women that he worked with. He did lie about his illegal investments. He did lie about his past. He did steal many items from the whitehouse that wernt his.
His socialist weezel political whore wife Hillary is no better. Infact in the next 10 years she will further undermine the US constitution in an ever widening pattern. She will rape this country of every last trace of personal responsibility and self reliance.
It would be a national holiday if she choked and died on a KFC chicken bone at lunch.
Wouldnt slick Willie be happy!!!
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posted February 17, 2003 07:43 PM
FUCK THE CLINTONS
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posted February 17, 2003 09:51 PM
Edited By: redelk on 19 Feb 2003 07:14
Didn't Kennedy inact the first "tax cut"?
In his tax message to Congress in 1963, Kennedy asked that the top income tax rate be brought down from 91% to 65% and the corporate tax rate from 52% to 48%. His wanted to reduce ALL statutory income tax rates by about 30%, including a reduction in the bottom tax rate from 20% to 14%.The law passed by a Democratic Congress in 1964 lowered the top rate by 23% to 70%. JFK once said about his tax cuts "for the rich", "A rising tide lifts all boats."
Let's see who had their hand deeper in the working man's pocket. This is straight for our friends at the Congressional Budget Office....
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posted February 17, 2003 09:55 PM
Edited By: redelk on 17 Feb 2003 21:59
Reagan actually RAISED what we put into Social Security. While clinton did nothing for Social Security, he increased the GDP by THREE PERCENT by raising taxes. Yeah... that's one way to make the economy look good.
Almost a fifth of our nation's GDP came right out of our pockets. You know we have laws concerning bookeeping tricks like this. Oh, I forgot, they don't apply to the "government".
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posted February 17, 2003 10:21 PM
The funny thing about all of this BS about Republicans cutting things is smoke and mirrors.
Here is a simple black and white example of the BS.
Lets pretend that today this year the US government is spending 1 billion dollars on school lunches. As a part of Next years budget debate the democrats suggest or demand that the school lunch program be increased by 100 billion dollars. They know that this is not possible or even likely, but that doesn't matter. Instead the Republicans along with the democrats vote in an increase of 1 billion so the program essentially has been increase 100% and or increased 1 billion dollars. The results are the kids have more but here is how it is played on capital hill and in the media. "The Republicans cut schools lunches by 99 billion dollars. The cold hearted republican cut kids lunches by 99%. And you liberals buy this crap!
I would ask anyone on this board to answer this question. If I were to suggest and support support a motion to have Swft give everyone on the board 100 (yes I said one hundred) 2003 ZX12's each, would you be infuriated and mad at him for only giving each of us 1 free bike? Seems to me that my suggestion was unrealistic and a pipe dream. When in fact Swfts decission to give everyone on the board a new bike would be fantastic and I doubt there would be many complaints. Now it is likely some of the liberals and perhaps the democratic party would get wind of this and be appalled and demand Swft give everyone 99 more bikes each. Hey maybe being a democrat isn't so bad afterall!!!
Oh yeah could someone show me where to find that locked box full of Social Security Trust Fund cash that the dems and Al Gore keep talking about?
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posted February 17, 2003 10:39 PM
Hey swft,.....do you need my addy for shipping?(i'll try the green one)
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posted February 18, 2003 04:17 AM
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Yeah slft, I'll take a black one!!!
I'm too exhausted to write any more political thoughts and Red, Zhholigan, RS and Slug did a FINE job saying what I would have anyway.
I just want to ride, the snow and cold is just going on too long.
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