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posted January 20, 2003 12:30 PM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 20 Jan 2003 14:15
I hate paying & doing others R&D!
I will Post Pictures later and I blame no one other than myself and Mr. Adams! (Nothing I have yet to order so far this year has been as advertised) I sent My Arm to Frank Adams Psyco Bike Performance in Indiana to get a "0 to 6 inch" modification He said he was now mounting the adjustors inside the arm (WHich also does not work because the left side arm curves in right after the screw adjustor inlet and inside of "3" Inches, you are screwing against the Outside of the Swingarm). He warned me that it would not be "Exactly" "0 to 6", that it would be more like 1/2" to 6 (Space for the nuts on the adjustor).
I installed the arm today and it is more like a 3 inch to 8 inch arm (If you use it with the adjustors in front of the sliding Blocks!) If you could use it as a rear adjuster, (Which you cannot because the Brake bracket has no provision to for the reaction part to be mounted "BEHIND" the Axle) it would be more like "1 to 8" which I could tolerate! I would have bought a Hill climber if that is what I wanted! I prefer to ride the twisties with a short wheelbase bike!
Now, after spending 4 hours in 40 degree weather and $450, I now have to spend "8" more to remove and replace everything again! I should have listened to my Gut and gone to Doug @ Spencer Cycle. Now I have a real problem with someone I have never done business with and have no idea if he can fix it, or how much more work I will need to do in the cold to get it resolved. I do not know how many more above 40 degree days we will have before Daytona and to say the least, I am Pissed!! 
1st Pic, Shows Stock gearing and Stock Chain. Stock Arm would have about 3/4" of space to move the adjustor Forward. If this was a "Rear" Adjust and the Brake Bracket had the Block "Behind" the Axle, then this would be a 1/2" to 6" arm. Please also note the angle inward of the arm! If an adjustor was screwed into the arm, "How far would it go in until it hit the inside of the swingarm? (2.5 inches)
The next 2 pics show the position of the Brake Caliper mount as far forward as it will go. As you can now see it is 2" behind where the axle has placed the Wheel. This means I now have a 2.5" to 6 inch Arm!
With the Threaded adjustor in place, the Arm is about 1.5" to 6" provided the Nub on the Brake Bracket was "Behind" the Axle (I know I am giving an Idea out here, but the title was R&D after payment!
Now like I said if it was a "Rear" adjuster "AND" the Brake Caliper Nub had been welded "Behind" the Axle and that is what I bought and received, then there is no complaint!
6" of ajustment with the adjustor all of the was forward! (This would be 1" to 6" almost close enough for a Government worker, but we are not dealing with the Government!) otherwise this is either a 2 or 3 to 6 arm! Not what I asked for or paid for Period!
BTW, I could not access his e-mail or web site either!
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posted January 20, 2003 12:54 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 20 Jan 2003 12:54
Do you ever have to go to work like the rest of us or do you just play with your bike? 
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posted January 20, 2003 01:08 PM
That is another reason I am so pissed! Here someone Dies and I get a Holiday (Had to Spend Sunday in a "Friends" Garage tuning a Z-1 and a KZ1000 "Too Cold to work outside" and then Waste a day dealing with someone's close enough or I thought it would work! or You are the First person that has ever had that problem Deals! Let us face it, no one cares about what they do. Throw it together, and hope the people you sell to are dumber than you are! My problem is that I still insist on getting what I ask and pay for. I even expect to see them clean when they are the correct part!
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posted January 20, 2003 01:11 PM
Vincent- Sorry to hear about the problems you are having. I have yet to see a TRUE zero to 6 over swingarm. Pretty much all the aftermarket arms start at 3" over which puts the wheelbase just under 60" fully short. That is how mine is.
Frank seems like a reasonable guy so he can probably work with you on this; if nothing else I'm sure you will be able to get a refund.
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posted January 20, 2003 01:28 PM
If you buy me a 3 over arm vinny...Ill send you a cookie...now wont that make you feel better? 
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posted January 20, 2003 01:47 PM
ah... i forgot it's a "holiday" down there today! Sorry!
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posted January 20, 2003 02:09 PM
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ah... i forgot it's a "holiday" down there today! Sorry!
Like I said, someone must die or get Killed to get a Holiday! And if he has a Natural Tan, then you must Protest also to get the day off!
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posted January 20, 2003 02:14 PM
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Vincent- Sorry to hear about the problems you are having. I have yet to see a TRUE zero to 6 over swingarm. Pretty much all the aftermarket arms start at 3" over which puts the wheelbase just under 60" fully short. That is how mine is.
Frank seems like a reasonable guy so he can probably work with you on this; if nothing else I'm sure you will be able to get a refund.
Then why Lie and say "0" to 6? Why not say 2 or 3 to 6?? Does telling the truth hurt the manfactures "THAT" Much?? or why not just make a "0" to 6" arm? Would that Kill someone to do it?? or have they lied to everyone for so long, that everyone just accepts it?? Did you buy a 3 to 6 or 0 to 6? If you bought a 0 to 6 and got a 3 to 6, then you and everyone before me are why they are still doing this! "TRUE or False"??
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posted January 20, 2003 03:43 PM
Vince if you need a stock arm for Daytona I have one that you can borrow until you get this resolved.
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posted January 20, 2003 03:50 PM
Sorry to here that Vince! Hope you can work it out.
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posted January 20, 2003 04:38 PM
Vincent,that is why i went with the old style(adjusted bolt out the back).Frank will do everything he can to make it right.You can find him on pschobike.com. Also can you flip the brake stay around and mount the caliper on top as i did.You will be able to get a little closer to "0".I do agree with you that when he changed to the new style he should of been marketing a "2-6"instead of a "0-6".That "0" is what sells i think.On a positive note,the welds look really good.
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posted January 20, 2003 04:58 PM
Man, Sorry to hear about this Vince!!!
We never checked the actual settings on my arm. I just leave mine at the 6" over setting all the time. We only Dragrace so this has never been an issue for me.
I think that the reason we all deal with the 1,2,3" or whatever to 6" is that most of the buyers are Drag racers and really don't care that it is exactly 0" to 6".
Sorry Vince....
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posted January 20, 2003 04:59 PM
Edited By: ZX12Girl on 20 Jan 2003 17:00
I have the old style with the adjuster out the rear, what would that be exactly with-out the adjuster bolts in the front?
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posted January 20, 2003 05:08 PM
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Vince if you need a stock arm for Daytona I have one that you can borrow until you get this resolved.
Bergie, that was really appreciated! I Joined and Posted on his own web site and will see what he has to say! The internal threaded adjustor is out the window and I told him to send me a brake bracket with the Nub but welded behind the axle and 2 Rear adjust sliders for the axle! I also stated that If I was wrong, or made an error in installation or made any mistakes, that I would aplolgize and I expect no less from him!
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posted January 20, 2003 05:16 PM
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I have the old style with the adjuster out the rear, what would that be exactly with-out the adjuster bolts in the front?
I am not sure what you are asking? First, if you noticed I stated I blame no one but myself! Second, with the adjustor and the Brake bracket in front, it is a 2-1/2" to 6 inch with just the adjustor nuts in front, it is a 1-1/2" to 6. With Rear Adjust, and as Cowboy said get the bracket behind the axle, 3/4" to 6".
I am glad that no one on this board has suggested Bolt on extensions! Because (as Angie knows) Perfection it the "LEAST" form of imperfection I can tolerate"!
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posted January 20, 2003 05:23 PM
Edited By: ZX12Girl on 20 Jan 2003 17:27
Yeah! Kzz1 and I just had the debate!!!
It makes no difference if the adjustor is behind or in front. The Brake braket is what it stopping the arm.
If you put the brake bracket at the rear then you will not have a true 6" over arm!!! You would lose the 2" in the rear instead of the front!
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posted January 20, 2003 05:28 PM
If I recall correctly Rickey Gadson has a custom brake bracket on his that uses a seperate bracing bar and it moves the caliper position. This might be worth looking into...
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posted January 20, 2003 05:47 PM
In my Road Race days, I had this "Full" Float bracket. I had a sleeve in the bracket and attached the Reaction rod to the frame and that the wheel would track better over the Bumps. Then I mounted it above the swing arm pivot and about 5 adjustments for different amounts of "Anti-Dive" (It would compress the shock and reduce the weight transfer to the front wheel)! I severly cut back on this when I saw a picture of me braking for a turn and actually Picking the rear wheel off of the ground while the bike was level!
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posted January 20, 2003 06:09 PM
Hey thanks for the info on this Vincent. I had been thinking about it because of your previous post where you had thought you'd be able to run it at nearly stock length.
Keep us posted.
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posted January 20, 2003 06:13 PM
Edited By: spencercyclecom on 20 Jan 2003 18:19
We take all this into account when we do ours and we machine a slot in the block for the bracket extension we weld in to slide in. We also bevel the edges on the zx9 and 12 blocks to match the swingarm a little better.
Dont know what you guys discussed but
I would think Frank will make this good.He does alot of arms
let me know if i can help out in anyway Vincent.
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posted January 20, 2003 06:54 PM
Why didn't you just order the Extension adapters from Gixx1300R, they are bolt on to the stock swingarm. Very nice for $275. Then just take them back off, about 30 minutes each way!!! Then you could have had the best of both worlds,,,,,,,,,,
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posted January 20, 2003 07:04 PM
We also have the ZX12r bolt on extensions. they should be available within the next 2 weeks.
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posted January 20, 2003 07:06 PM
You guys better start now in diss-associating yourselves with me or your name will be Mud! Frank does not know or understand me and there was no break in period! If I was a Drag Racer Period, then all of this would be just fine. The problem is, I want exactly what I want and if you advertise it, and I buy from you, shame on you if you did not make it! Doug at Spencer Cycle, I think the World of him, but when I got my top clamp, one of the holes was not drilled. The clamp also did not clear the Myzzys Dampener. He did not go Ballistic when I posted this. Somehow, some people think that word of mouth advertising is all supposed to be good! To me, it is how people handle diverisity and problems that make them the people you trust and can deal with! I have no problem dealing with Muzzy, Spencer Cycle or most people.
What bothers me about Frank, is that I have never said that his welding was bad or sub standard, but the fact that I wanted a true "0" to 6" arm and did not get it! None of this would have happened if he had said it will be closer to 2.5" to 6" vs telling me that it will be about 1/2" to 6 inches. It is as simple at that!
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posted January 20, 2003 07:36 PM
Vince,if the brake stay stop was welded behind the axle wouldn't it be close to "0"?Try flipping it around and if you know it wont work the way it is welded now why not just grind off the small block and weld it where you need it.I never had Frank modify my brake stay,i just did it myself so i never had anymore shipping charges.
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posted January 20, 2003 08:00 PM
Vincent did u get both my emails regarding the stacks..??
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