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posted December 22, 2010 01:34 PM
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posted December 22, 2010 02:09 PM
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At least you have the capability...unlike most Jap bikes... 
What they did was go to an outside contractor, the contractor in turn gave them a half baked version (mostly because of the EPA) that most of the dealers use. Then Harley dropped the contractor and in turn the contractor has their own version that is nothing short of impressive. It accesses most everything.
BUT like FBA says it is a money making scheme, because you can fine tune all day and it doesn't give you much.
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posted December 22, 2010 02:19 PM
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At least you have the capability...unlike most Jap bikes...
What they did was go to an outside contractor, the contractor in turn gave them a half baked version (mostly because of the EPA) that most of the dealers use. Then Harley dropped the contractor and in turn the contractor has their own version that is nothing short of impressive. It accesses most everything.
BUT like FBA says it is a money making scheme, because you can fine tune all day and it doesn't give you much.
YUP there was no way HD had the money to engineer an OBDII or CanBus type system they needed to get their bikes past the EPA ........ but still not light years ahead of anyone else 
BUT why are we talking about pirates in a Kawaski thread 
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posted December 22, 2010 02:23 PM
Ted, green?
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Shane661
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posted December 22, 2010 02:23 PM
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BUT like FBA says it is a money making scheme, because you can fine tune all day and it doesn't give you much.
$350 to remove a ZX-14 speed limiter...that is a "money making scheme"! 
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posted December 22, 2010 03:22 PM
$350 ????
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posted December 22, 2010 04:20 PM
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Ted, green?
You mean how much? I think (I'm not sure mind you) less than $200. BUT I am not sure how or even if the owner can program the unit. It very well could be that they have to go to an authorized service center to have it mapped. I have friends that build about the best Harley exhaust, cams, and air intake on the market today and they showed me the remapping system in use and in detail on a dyno. I forgot to ask them if the owner could do his own programming.
UPDATE:
I just looked and the Screaming Eagle (the harley half baked version) is ...... drum roll......$549.95
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posted December 22, 2010 05:26 PM
How much is the software to reflash an undocumented ZX-14 ECU??
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FastestBusaAround
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posted December 22, 2010 07:46 PM
You guys make me laugh. Harley is still in the dark ages. Big fucking deal that you can tune the ECU. You still get no gain in performance. You get zero horsepower gain...only bragging rights. It's only about money in HD's pockets, nothing more. They've been playing this game for years and years...and it isn't about performance, because there is none. Last time i checked -- I could break my speedo restriction for under $100.00 too. There's no fucking way anyone will ever convince me that HD has more technology than any Jap bike. They don't even employ the use of a Canbus. Big technology advances there at HD.
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2000redrocket
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posted December 22, 2010 08:53 PM
i my self think they cheeped out going to the twin cam. after all the sporties have 4 cams for quite a long time and good valve train angles compared to the old evo single or twin cam.
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posted December 22, 2010 11:21 PM
Can I assume that your all are still talking about chromed poop becuase there is no real news about this ZX10R recall
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posted December 23, 2010 12:03 PM
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i my self think they cheeped out going to the twin cam. after all the sporties have 4 cams for quite a long time and good valve train angles compared to the old evo single or twin cam.
And they are ALL ill handling slow pieces of crap. They have to be slow, because if they had a real motor the things would kill you the first time you leaned into a corner.
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posted December 23, 2010 02:10 PM
Heh heh............or tried to stop.................
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posted December 23, 2010 02:55 PM
My Road King handles great at slow speeds. When your riding chicks around with there tops off at the rallys wit big tities wallowing around your ears, especially in the slow ride or the weenie grab you have to have low speed stability. Of all the bikes I have owned The H-D still is the best bike I have ever owned. but then I am not a Hater, I like all bikes. some serve a different purpose than others.
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posted December 23, 2010 04:02 PM
Edited By: watthecu on 24 Dec 2010 00:03
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You guys make me laugh. Harley is still in the dark ages. Big fucking deal that you can tune the ECU. You still get no gain in performance. You get zero horsepower gain...
You've been sniffing the Ivan/Brockinspeel... Delphi is nothing more than X to Y is now you have an A to F in said ratio. You make me laugh because you crap the rap piss'inn out of your little orifices is a horse is steamer you need to look down or go barefoot you be stepping in your own shit is what you just said.
And boy, I sure am glad I did not set toe in mouf we are not on the same road is your idea of peeformance. WOT makes HP? You know if everyone else uses the same AFR?
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TedG
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posted December 23, 2010 05:10 PM
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My Road King handles great at slow speeds. When your riding chicks around with there tops off at the rallys wit big tities wallowing around your ears, especially in the slow ride or the weenie grab you have to have low speed stability. Of all the bikes I have owned The H-D still is the best bike I have ever owned. but then I am not a Hater, I like all bikes. some serve a different purpose than others.
Which validates the point that ECU tuning is pretty much a waste. Unless you could program in some more vibration so the big titted, top off, passenger can use the vibes to get wetter.
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watthecu
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posted December 23, 2010 06:05 PM
Well yes, you could say I never met a sweaty tit I didn't like. If you stick a smell enough ECUp her you tear us, or we, lets say, might that bring into/onto the TV screen smell-her-vision? And nut to leave anyone out, might there be, smell-his-lotion for the don't fill in the blanks?
HOw in the fuck dis get off top hiccup.
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posted December 23, 2010 07:31 PM
yea I could care less if the ECU gets tuned to perfection. A set of pipes a K&N filter and one of those disposable ECU downloads and it's been good to go. And the BEST part is the saddle bags only look leather but are hard plastic and will hold a half a case of beer iced down on each side. Plus it comes standard with drain holes.
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posted December 24, 2010 07:03 AM
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yea I could care less if the ECU gets tuned to perfection. A set of pipes a K&N filter and one of those disposable ECU downloads and it's been good to go. And the BEST part is the saddle bags only look leather but are hard plastic and will hold a half a case of beer iced down on each side. Plus it comes standard with drain holes.
YES just stay home and get drunk its a lot safer
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Shane661
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posted December 24, 2010 08:09 AM
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My Road King handles great at slow speeds. When your riding chicks around with there tops off at the rallys wit big tities wallowing around your ears, especially in the slow ride or the weenie grab you have to have low speed stability. Of all the bikes I have owned The H-D still is the best bike I have ever owned. but then I am not a Hater, I like all bikes. some serve a different purpose than others.
Which validates the point that ECU tuning is pretty much a waste. Unless you could program in some more vibration so the big titted, top off, passenger can use the vibes to get wetter.
Uhh..."ECU tuning is a waste"?? 
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Big_T112
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posted December 24, 2010 09:56 AM
Actually it's a little box they sell you that conains a download for your ECU. It's a use once and throw away. can't remember how much it was. It was like a stage 2 download.
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posted December 24, 2010 10:27 AM
only traction control on my 2000 sportster sport 1200 is the rev limiter in every gear lol
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posted December 24, 2010 02:17 PM
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You guys make me laugh. Harley is still in the dark ages. Big fucking deal that you can tune the ECU. You still get no gain in performance. You get zero horsepower gain...
You've been sniffing the Ivan/Brockinspeel... Delphi is nothing more than X to Y is now you have an A to F in said ratio. You make me laugh because you crap the rap piss'inn out of your little orifices is a horse is steamer you need to look down or go barefoot you be stepping in your own shit is what you just said.
And boy, I sure am glad I did not set toe in mouf we are not on the same road is your idea of peeformance. WOT makes HP? You know if everyone else uses the same AFR?
Geeeeeeeeeear HAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Still the same mindless spew...nothing to learn from the resident moron....
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watthecu
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posted December 24, 2010 07:16 PM
OH come on, FBA, just messing with ya. Look, if we can grid a map to run rich enough to foul plugs, are we not rich if we can map the grid? RPM times TPS is that not x to y in a manor of speaking we just jetted any computer bike with a piggy box like a PC or Motty?
So if the carb never changed, the crank never change, the rods and pistons never change that much say. Where do you get HP every year? Isn't it the head? Steeper steamers you be stepping in more shit you fart'inn on a hog? I'm a hog member....
Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee HOGggggggggggggggggggggggggggg! Heeeeeeeeeee Hawwwwwwwww! fucking cow me new year to you too, fella!
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posted December 25, 2010 06:25 AM
Lemme think now...my Sierra 2500HD Durmamax picked up 150 RWHP/240 RWTQ, just from tuning and exhaust. My ZX14 picked up 20 HP from tuning and exhaust...and my Connie picked up 30+ HP from all of the same...
To get beyond that, one would have to do what I did to my Road King, which was a complete motor rebuild, with new crank, pistons, cylinders, heads, mapping, etc...
I do understand all that...having been there and having done that all before.
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