quote:I thought the same thing Ted although the euro models don't have the limiter.I think it's something in the topend valve spring or something.They should dyno and break in every single sport bike motor coming out of all the factories.
When I was at the HD factory a few years back - they were actually dyno testing each bike at full pin for 5-6 minutes straight...so I'd imagine that most if not all, perform the same tests. From my understanding though, it's not the engine you have to worry about breaking in, but more like the rest of the drive train, including the brake pads.
Yeah, but when you only make less than 1 hp for every 10 lbs, it is hard to break the drivetrain. Think of it as hitting an anvil with a feather. ____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
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posted December 17, 2010 09:05 PM
Patience, wait for the rest of the story
quote:
quote:So...they shouldn't have recalled them? What is the big deal about a recall if it fixes the problem...and early on, at that?
Shane
The big deal is that if they hadn't cut 2/3 of their workforce, let go off most of their great techs and product testers - then this probably wouldn't have happened. Couple that with an unrealistic delivery schedule - October instead of March the next year, and subcontracting components for the 10R to Thailand,and this is what you get.
So what should they have done? Completed testing and engineering the bike - THEN sold them.
My 2cents werth -
Hmmm...,
Explain the 08 Honda literbike then?
Drinks oil like a 2 stroke, no recall and people still fighting for resolution.
Honda denied a problem, still does, but the 09 has 2 rings and no problem.
Is that the fine business model you speak of Fish?
Just dropped in to see if this forum & administrators was still full of Kawi haters.
I see it is.
I do agree it was done to avoid litigation and a industrial black eye.
Beats the Honda approach !!!
But when the bike is released and tested by unbiased testers it will be the finest Japanese 1000 yet. Full HP or not.
As good as the BMW or Aprilia ? We will see, huh
Motorcycle.coms review was quite favorable but that site carries little validity to Me.
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On a XZ !!!!!
Tsukigi stainless full system
pcIII w/custom map
NO freakin flies!!
GP suspension forks
Penske rear shock
Rich's custom seat
And a whole bunch of other stuff.
Motorcycle.coms review was quite favorable but that site carries little validity to Me.
Really? Did you know the Motorcycle.com is owned and operated by a marketing company. Did you know that the previous owner of Motorcycle.com sold it to that marketing company and he now works for Freeman & McCue - Kawasaki's marketing agency?
I bet the bike got a favorable review from them, wouldn't you? ____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
posted December 17, 2010 10:08 PM
Edited By: DogoZX on 18 Dec 2010 06:11
Dat bike is a bad mofo. Technical hold, Schmechnical hold. If I had one, I'd hold on to it until Kawi had a new one ready for me. In the meantime, I'd be beatin' the piss out of it.
Atleast one of your buddies got his hands on one before the hold, didn't they Fish?
What's he doin' with it?
posted December 20, 2010 07:03 PM
i like how the dyno guy said the bike that got 185 was a A1 zx12. still sick the 10 has 174 there with over 100lb less weight.
quote:
Atleast one of your buddies got his hands on one before the hold, didn't they Fish?
What's he doin' with it?
not sure - will have to check up on that .,,, gittin ready for Christmas and all right now... hopefully the ninja police didnt show up at his door and try to get it back!! ____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
quote:I thought the same thing Ted although the euro models don't have the limiter.I think it's something in the topend valve spring or something.They should dyno and break in every single sport bike motor coming out of all the factories.
When I was at the HD factory a few years back - they were actually dyno testing each bike at full pin for 5-6 minutes straight...so I'd imagine that most if not all, perform the same tests. From my understanding though, it's not the engine you have to worry about breaking in, but more like the rest of the drive train, including the brake pads.
Yeah, but when you only make less than 1 hp for every 10 lbs, it is hard to break the drivetrain. Think of it as hitting an anvil with a feather.
Makes no fucking difference when you're running an HD V-twin at close to 6K RPM... which is like running a 10R at 20K RPM... ____________
FYYFF!!!
posted December 21, 2010 01:54 PM
Yeah and with a hard hitting 63 hp things get exciting fast. Having to use a calender to measure 0-60 times.
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Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
quote:So...they shouldn't have recalled them? What is the big deal about a recall if it fixes the problem...and early on, at that?
Shane
The big deal is that if they hadn't cut 2/3 of their workforce, let go off most of their great techs and product testers - then this probably wouldn't have happened. Couple that with an unrealistic delivery schedule - October instead of March the next year, and subcontracting components for the 10R to Thailand,and this is what you get.
So what should they have done? Completed testing and engineering the bike - THEN sold them.
My 2cents werth -
Hmmm...,
Explain the 08 Honda literbike then?
Drinks oil like a 2 stroke, no recall and people still fighting for resolution.
Honda denied a problem, still does, but the 09 has 2 rings and no problem.
Is that the fine business model you speak of Fish?
Just dropped in to see if this forum & administrators was still full of Kawi haters.
I see it is.
I do agree it was done to avoid litigation and a industrial black eye.
Beats the Honda approach !!!
But when the bike is released and tested by unbiased testers it will be the finest Japanese 1000 yet. Full HP or not.
As good as the BMW or Aprilia ? We will see, huh
Motorcycle.coms review was quite favorable but that site carries little validity to Me.
The '08 KLR does the exact same as the HONDA you described, its common knowledge. I'm missing the point here you are making?
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posted December 21, 2010 04:54 PM
quote:Notably the fuel management...did I mention that?
Also, have you seen their marketing dept?
just saying fuel management system is pretty vague and extremely generalizing.
haveing worked on newer HD I am curious as to these "light years ahead" advancements ?
posted December 21, 2010 05:11 PM
those advancements were so light years ahead the bikes have been returned at the speed of light !
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2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
quote:Notably the fuel management...did I mention that?
Also, have you seen their marketing dept?
just saying fuel management system is pretty vague and extremely generalizing.
haveing worked on newer HD I am curious as to these "light years ahead" advancements ?
Well, if you have dealt with the injection tuning...then you know how advanced they are compared to the jap stuff. Not worth arguing here...you can look it up if need be.
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posted December 17, 2010 01:45 PM
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As long as his 10r stays together, he should be able to outrun 'em...
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