Chango
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posted July 05, 2010 10:10 PM
alot of oil in the coolant!!!!
The beast has been running fine after I had a low oil situation but I have noticed that she will heat up and will not start until she cools off completely. I was wondering if it was the starter so I go to get to the starter I decide I'm going to pull the lower hose to make things easier to reach. (I planned on doing the water wetter and water thing) and I drain into a bucket . Well I find alot of oil in my coolant!!! WTF!??? Where do I go from here?
So I call my bike mechanic and he said " I gotta be honest that's going to be expensive" He said considering that it's a salvage title bike I should concider a new bike. I said well TBH I love the 12 and I don't want a bike payment and full coverage. I reviewed with him that I plan on dying with this bike in my name! So he explained that I should go ahead and inspect the pistons and do new rings while he has it open.
What do you guys think? All I know is my season is shot and it's July!!!
  
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Dane
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posted July 06, 2010 11:01 AM
My .02....sounds like head gasket to me...it is not really that hard to drop that motor from frame....after removing fairings, radiator and exhaust it is only 4 bolts that hold engine in. You can have it out in less than 3 hrs...dont know the extent of your wrenching capabilities. The bad part is these 12's aren't worth that much in dollars so if you sell it what then. Get a Service Manual, plenty baggies, a sharpie and get to work...My 12 dragbike has been down for a year after F***king a set of crankcases and crank up...take your time it'll work out .....PLENTY of help here.
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Chango
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posted July 06, 2010 03:10 PM
My bike guy knows that I will never sell my 12! So to be honest as long as I can get the thing up and running without dumping more then 3 grand in it. I will do what ever it takes. I'm looking to put a $1000 in it and go a head and have him look the pistons over and change the rings. Then once I get her back I have less to worry about. I mean I can have some peace of mind once it's all said and done. It's just killing me because my friend just got a 09 busa with all the goodies , Brock's system, Power comander, speedo healer, and stretched 4". There no way I can afford anything that will at least let me ride beside him from time to time.
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BrooklynNYZX12
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posted July 06, 2010 05:36 PM
Maybe the oil cooler is bad? Check the battery and make sure its fully charged,a battery thats not 100% will not crank the bike over when its hot . Check all your cable connections as well,maybe it is something minor and not major.
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dougmeyer
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posted July 06, 2010 06:34 PM
Water pump seal, or oil cooler. Not the head gasket. Water in the oil, possible head gasket ( still very unlikely), but not oil in the water.
Do a leak rate before you get carried away.
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Dane
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posted July 06, 2010 08:23 PM
 Edited By: Dane on 7 Jul 2010 04:27
There ya go Chango, 2 excellent ideas...may not be that bad.
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Miker
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posted July 06, 2010 09:06 PM
quote:
Water pump seal, or oil cooler. Not the head gasket. Water in the oil, possible head gasket ( still very unlikely), but not oil in the water.
Do a leak rate before you get carried away.
D.
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Chango
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posted July 06, 2010 11:35 PM
What???? You mean my 12 may not be shot!!!!! Oh $hit gentlemen I can't even type straight!!!
One year old jell battery on a trickle charge in the house (living room closet) over the winter. all connections seem fine and did the battery test 1 st. before suspecting the starter. It tested ok.
Outside of changing oil and maybe starter rebuilds etc... I'm completely mechanically ignorant!
I will send this link to my bike mechanic and I will go from there! He's a straight up guy and TBH I do not trust anyone else with my bike. He's straight shooter in terms of telling me what's going on with my bike!
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Chango
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posted July 16, 2010 12:16 PM
Edited By: Chango on 16 Jul 2010 20:19
My bike guy will be a long time he's moving etc.. His chick is leaving him you know a lot of real life stuff! So I'm thinking about trying to replace the seal myself. I don't know what a leak down test is. Also if I have to replace the cooler and or water seal. How hard is it ? I was looking at the Micr Fiche on Ron Ayrs but I don't see a part # Is this a pretty easy job or will it be something I should leave to the pro? Keep in mind I can change oil and pull the starter but outside of that I pretty much such. What do you guys think?
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Stuart Racing
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posted July 16, 2010 02:28 PM
This is the same motor that you ran it with low oil level(2qrts low) right and it was knocking too????
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whitehendrix
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posted July 16, 2010 08:15 PM
if you have about 30K miles on the motor, i would almost go right to the water pump and nothing else.. the outboard bearing tends to fail and this causes the mechanical seal on the end of the housing to leak water into the oil, since theres actually 2 seals in that pump. a mechanical seal against he back of the impeller and a radial seal at the end of the outboard bearing.
i have fixed these pumps, but you must be careful not to fuck the seal on the back of the impeller up. i have fixed mine for as low as $36... thats 2 new bearings and a seal.
if the little weep hole in the shaft housing is clogged, it'll give no indication of bearing/seal failure. usually that is an indicator something is leaking from somewhere, whether it be oil from the case or coolant from the pump housing.
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posted July 17, 2010 10:32 AM
I don't know what Hendrix said but it sounds complicated so he might be right.
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whitehendrix
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posted July 18, 2010 05:58 PM
next time i do a pump service i will take pics.. i can always use my kick-ass paint skills to draw something up! lol
how are ya Ali?
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Chango
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posted July 20, 2010 05:23 AM
man this is crazy! I went ahead and put water in it and fired it up the strange thing is that it did not heat up!!! The dial stayed at about 9 oclock at idle!! So I let it run for about 5-10 mins and the fan did not kick on? Somone sugested that what I was seeing could have been build up gunk in the coolant and not oil!!! But I had my bike do a flush and fill last year in the middle of the summer. I haven't put many miles on it since could this had been the case? Maybe I jumped the gun on calling it oil!
Man I hate not knowing what I'm looking at! I realize just how little I know when it comes to this bike! you guys have been a great help!
Just to answer a few questions--
-the "lower hose" was the lower one coming out of the back of the motor. the one that blocks access to the starter's bolts.
- This is the bike that I ran low on oil and it knocked for about a quarter of a mile. I have since done a oil change and added lucus oil treatment. (other then that no noises since)
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Chango
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posted July 23, 2010 06:04 AM
My bike guy is going through social issues and so. It's just me and the 12 until he can work things out. I've been told that the oil that was in the drainage could have been what was on the outside of the motor sent as I did drain it form a hose located in a area where the coolant would run down and around the outside of the motor. So at this point I'm going to do a flush and fill myself to see if it could have just be build up gunk or a from around the motor.
So I'm going to fire her up this weekend and if she stays cool I'm going to go with the wetter water and 50% water. I was wondering how much water wetter to add? How many bottles or parts of a gallon. I was also wondering if I can store the bike with that mixture or will it freeze and crack the block?
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tuusinii
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posted July 23, 2010 08:29 AM
Remember that one of the (the bottom one if I remember right, but anyway it has an aluminum spacer so You can see it) bolts holding water pump is also a drain hole. Also there is on 10mm bolt in the cylinder #1 below exhaust on front that drains the block. It's probably wise to empty it all and maybe do a flush couple times with clean water. No need to remove the hoses (and brake them).
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