BALTIMORE410
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posted March 13, 2010 06:02 PM
e85 how to convert?
what would i need to do to connvert my zx12r to able to run
   
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KZScott
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posted March 13, 2010 07:19 PM
a higher volume fuel pump for starters if its a built motor
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almost_les
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posted March 14, 2010 04:06 PM
big ass injectors
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KZScott
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posted March 14, 2010 04:41 PM
or more pressure
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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almost_les
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posted March 14, 2010 07:58 PM
probably gonna need an external pump. e85 is electrically condictive. i think its around 40% more fuel thats needed btw.
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Shane661
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posted March 15, 2010 03:33 AM
Some guys have run the internal pump, but it makes me nervous. A high volume external pump, regulator, and some larger injectors from RC Engineering should do it for you. 
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Y2KZX12R
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posted March 15, 2010 04:05 AM
Why do you want to run E85?
I wouldn't use RC injectors. Have you ever seen them during a bench test compared to a real injector like a Bosch? You would never use them if you did. On the dyno, engines have a much higher BSFC for a given power output with those junk injectors.
Shane if you want a set of bosh for your 12r I can hook you up with custom made Bosh injectors. The same ones Karl and myself are using. They are $300 a set.
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Shane661
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posted March 15, 2010 04:07 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 15 Mar 2010 12:09
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Why do you want to run E85?
I wouldn't use RC injectors. Have you ever seen them during a bench test compared to a real injector like a Bosch? You would never use them if you did. On the dyno, engines have a much higher BSFC for a given power output with those junk injectors.
Shane if you want a set of bosh for your 12r I can hook you up with custom made Bosh injectors. The same ones Karl and myself are using. They are $300 a set.
I've never seen the RC's on the bench, but I thought a lot of guys had success with them?
I'm not converting to E85 at this time, but perhaps Baltimore410 might be interested in the Bosch injectors.
Shane
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2000redrocket
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posted March 15, 2010 01:48 PM
Edited By: 2000redrocket on 15 Mar 2010 21:51
e85 will give anyone the boost in torque a methanol set up does for a car at the track. there will be less improvement though with the 15% gas in it. you need to treat it like pure though. there are drawbacks and nice things that go hand in hand.
i am thinking on go ing that way for my car. some say you need to change the oil more but others using it and not flooding the rings use oil all season.
it is cheeper than race gas by a lot.
probally need about 25% more by volume but with that you will get much better cooling from the fuel. a methonal run car has to have a lean out valve to get heat in the engine. so with 15% gas it should work almost as good cooling wise.
with a car people say on methoinal expect a gain of .1 to .3 in the 1/4. and you can always play with pop in the tankjust 10% pop will make the chassis cry. do not know about mixing it in e85 though.
i most likly will not do it in the bike but have been on the fence with the car.
someone should do it to check it out but i will say i doubt it will be me.
a long time ago when cr500 hondas ruled the earth dirt bike mag converted one to methonal put a paddle tire and the smallest rear sprocket the chain would clear the bolts with and hit 130mph.(remember it was spinning to go that fast)
i am going on the thought that ethonal will be very similar to methonal. please correct me if i am wrong.though you could convert it to methonal you will use a lot of fuel though. but still got to be cheeper than 8.50 a gal for 112.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted March 16, 2010 03:54 AM
Most of our drag race customers who ran methanol for years switched back to gasoline and are running faster now then with methanol. One by one they went back to gasoline.
We just don't see better performance from it at the track and the maintenance and potential for problems is higher. Most of these guys have hydro-locked one or more cylinders and had catastrophic failures mid season and takes you right out of the points race.
All it takes is several misfires in a row on one cylinder and you hydro-lock.
These are typical shallow valve angle BBC or SBC all out race engines with small chamber volumes and BIG compression.
Now back on gasoline they can run all season on the same build and they run more consistent times.
I just don't see the advantage in a N/A engine. A supercharged engine is a different story.
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2000redrocket
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posted March 16, 2010 04:20 PM
Edited By: 2000redrocket on 17 Mar 2010 02:39
turbo zx12 or 14 on methanol. that would be something to ride.
thanks for the info jim.
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TurboBike
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posted March 16, 2010 06:56 PM
01smokes is running E85 with a Turbo now. He is just at the beginning of the experiment but he is in Houston for the big Supra meet to pile on some miles on it. So far so good.
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2000redrocket
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posted March 16, 2010 07:00 PM
turbo bike i and my twin had each a 750 gpz turbo.his 84 mine a faster 85 with yosh boltons. nice.
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