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posted November 12, 2002 01:53 PM
 Edited By: RAC4IT on 12 Nov 2002 20:35
8.85 ET @ 161.57 MPH video up
I tried to keep the filesize down (2.4 meg) so the quality suffered a bit but my 8.85 @ 161.57 is posted on the website http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/video along with a 8.96 @ 157 run from Saturday. Also if you want the high-resolution mpeg2 format versions (12mb and 14mb) simply change the file extension to .mpg to download accordingly, they are there but hidden.
  
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posted November 12, 2002 02:31 PM
Edited By: VincentHill on 12 Nov 2002 14:33
Bergie, two things, Just looking at your site, you "MUST" be getting better because you have runs in the high 9's and now you have them in the high 8's! When ".10" of a second is BIG, you have removed "1.0" a full second or 10 times what would be considered as Big! You are only .1 away from Bears best run at gainesville!
#2, I feel a little better about my camera work now  Those cameras just will not focus long distance and then the score boards are bad enough in the day, but at night a camera cannot see the numbers! I see that you are using the "Chest on the tank" style vs the sit vertical or the lean forward start! OK "Rickey G Junior"!!
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posted November 12, 2002 09:00 PM
Thats just awesome bergie!
are you on a diet?
or just keep adding more power and skills to get lower and lower? 
that jason miller guy in the video archive looks incredibly fast and must weigh in at 130lbs? looks skinny as heck.
once again, congrats on the solid 8's.
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RAC4IT
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posted November 12, 2002 09:10 PM
Vince... wheelbase gives confidence, at least for me it helped. There is also a huge gap in the videos on my site, so there are many many runs that were never video taped or posted on the website. I actually used to run solid 9.60s and 9.70s on a stock motor stock wheelbase 12R before my accident last year that put me in a wheelchair for several months and I missed out on the entire 2001 season!
So 2002 I had to re-learn everything from scratch. I was able to pull off a 9.9x pass on my friends ZX12R within three passes my first time back to the track after the accident... but my technique had seriously suffered from sitting out a whole year. This is when I decided to "not be scared" and do whatever it takes to get back to where I was before the wreck! Thus I started "Dont Be Scared Racing.com" and put a serious effort into getting some seat time this year.
I found that re-learning the launch at the drag strip after a serious crash is harder than ever learning in the first place! There are serious mental blocks that you have to overcome, so it took more time than I anticipated. Not to mention that when I rebuilt my bike, I went from 167rwhp to ~200rwhp and I had not even ridden it yet!! So the bike was a shitload harder to ride!
The fact is I was turning better times on a stock-motor 12R than on my 200rwhp 12R for quite some time this year. Guess I was skeeered  That is one reason we did so many track rentals this year at MIR, so I could get my groove back.
I think my best pass all motor short-wheelbase (stock arm) on the new motor was 9.55 @ 152. Kind of disappointing by comparison but very satisfying for me because of what I had overcome, and learning to ride and launch with the new more powerful motor. Then spraying, once in 4th gear only, I ran 9.58 @ 156 but I never sprayed earlier than 4th gear on short wheelbase, this was when I first installed the kit.
For reference these are all 195~200 lbs rider, foot shifting, MCR2 tire, stock 16/44 gearing on the stock arm. Same day, same specs, Ryan Schnitz goes 9.13 @ 156 on my bike! He inspired me to no end!
Shortly after with 60" wheelbase, 18/46 (stock) gearing, Ryan Schnitz went 8.99 @ 161 spraying #34 jet dry and spinning on a Shinko tire. There is a video of this and most of the other runs on my website. These are training tools I used to improve myself.
As you know at the end of the season (mid-October) I stretched the wheelbase out to 63.5" on the Coby Adams adjustable swingarm. So far all motor I've been 9.21 @ 155 on motor at 63.5" wheelbase using 17/46 gearing but this was the very first and only time I had ever ridden the bike with a stretch. I never bothered to make motor-only passes after that.
I went 9.13 @ 155 spraying 3rd and 4th gear that same day, but spinning at half-track on the Shinko tire, ET picked up but MPH suffered. Track conditions were loose at the time and it was late at night. Again this is my first time out on the arm in the 1/4 mile.
This past Saturday, and only my 2nd time ever on the longer 63.5" wheelbase, I went 8.85 @ 161.57 MPH and consistant 8.90s @ 158~159 spraying. Seems like MPH will vary depending on how quickly you step on the spray. I was getting 1.48~1.49 short times on these runs and coming off the line hard and letting the clutch out way earlier than ever before. I've even trapped as high as 129 MPH in the 1/8th mile and spraying on or just before the 1-2 shift.
This past Sunday I rode the bike for the 3rd time with the wheelbase out at 63.5", and ran brackets at the MIR World Cup Finals, ended up in the final dialing 8.95 ET brackets all day long with no problems but this was with slower 1.57~1.58 short times. My 60' dropped .10 but my ET stayed the same so I'm convinced that with another day of practice I can go 8.70s and consistant 8.80s.
So you can see that there were some changes to the bike, wheelbase, as well as my riding. Stretching the bike has given me confidence! I'd like to get the most out of what I can, that is why I'm NOT stepping up the nitrous. In fact just the opposite, I'm going to try and apply what I've learned with the 63.5" wheelbase to a shorter 60" wheelbase this weekend at Rockingham, so I'm going back to 60" which will be much harder to ride. Obviously my times will get slower, but over time with practice I hope to be running solid 8s short-wheelbase. That is my goal for 2003 anyway, to run 60" ProSportBike and not be the slowest guy in the field and run consistant 8.90s while continuing to learn from the best riders in the country. And believe me, the best of the best are in 60" PSB series, it's unbelieve to me just to line up with the likes of Jason Miller, Ryan Schnitz, Johnnie "Air time" Locklear, Jeff Lenc, Butch Thompson and all the others that are so talented. I don't deserve to be listed on the same page with those guys!!! But Vince, I appreciate your observations, comments and also your helpful suggestions and of course conversation this year!
See you next year at Maxton!
Berg-- (damn that was long)
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RAC4IT
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posted November 12, 2002 09:19 PM
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Thats just awesome bergie!
congrats on the solid 8's.
thanks Bagster- nope no diet (although I need one)
I'm guessing Jason is ~155 lbs. That video was two years ago on a stock motor Hayabusa he was turning 9.30s stock wheelbase! Lightweight is Ryan last I read he is about 125~130 lbs with gear! Those videos of Jason in the archive on my website were my original inspiration for the 2000 year season.
Check out this blast from the past http://www.dragbike.com/news/09-00/091800d.htm look about half-way down the page... Yup that's me putting the hammer down on a Hayabusa way back in the day Yo! Running back to back 9.59s and a 9.66 stock motor and wheelbase at 200lbs! Guess that means I haven't lost or gained weight in two years
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posted November 12, 2002 09:38 PM
Nice vids!!! I feel ZX 12 Girl will be in the same boat as you were learning to ride all over again. She wants to get back on the strip again where she left off et wise but I feel she will have to get back her confidence on the same bike that bucked her off.
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VincentHill
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posted November 13, 2002 01:35 PM
Bergie, as Paul Harvey used to say "and now for the rest of the story"! Until you have been there, no one can understand "EXACTLY" what you were saying! I read an article by Kevin Cameron (Who I am good friends with) who stated that the difference between the winners and the people that race and have good finishes from time to time was explained this way!
Everyone starts out slow and picks up speed. when you get right to the edge and you find that you have locked your wrist down but your body is raising up to slow you down, that is the point where everyone differs. The winners go on and hold it open and really scare themselves, but they live through it and remember the feeling and when their mind accelarates to the correct speed, they can ride right there all season long "in the ZONE"! The other people back off a little and never quite conquer the fear and have an up and dowm season!
I have also been through this when I had a wierd fall at Loudon (The old track you see on Any Sunday). Someone fell before I got to the front straight and his gas tank spilled fuel everywhere! I fell in it and spun "LENGTH WISE" and so did the bike! (I just removed the tire mark out of my old leathers before the first Maxton!) I did not get hurt nor did the bike! But at night when I dream and try to figure out everything, I could not figure out a way to control that type of Fall and I did not tell anyone! The next race was at Charlotte Motor Speedway! Long before they put any chaicanes on the back straight! Going between 160 and 170 and coming up to what looks like a wall to the left (Much steeper than Daytona because the radius of the turn in much tighter, so it looks a lot worse and it is) I had very special suspension that I "KNEW" Would not bottom around the banking and I had held it open before! Just before I entered the turn I felt the bike slow! I looked at the throttle and I had my wrist cranked all of the way down! It was then I realized that I had raised out of the seat to turn the throttle back and slowed for the turn! I could not believe it!
I finished that AMA Race 11 th (not bad for a Privateer) I then went to Ponoco and found more problems with slowing and realized that I just could not go fast any longer! I finished 18 at Ponoco! I fired myself from riding my bike because it deserved better! I put a friend of mine on my bike and watched him never ride it to the potential of the Bike and all of this anger helped me to overcome my fears and raced 2 more years!
In 1997, I had a slow speed accident on my fathers Motorcycle and tried to save his bike (He had been dead for 10 years at the time!) I broke my left leg and to make a very long story short, I ended up having 8 operations,some 7 & 8 hours long, had a tube in my chest for 6 months going directly to my central veina cava (The 2 inch diameter return line under the center of your rib cage) and gave myseld Vancomysn twice a day and walked on crutches for 3 years while I regrew the 2 inches of bone that they removed from my left leg! (Ask to look at it some time)!
This is why I really do not have any real fear of going fast! I suffered my worse accident at about 10 to 15 Mph and never got seriously hurt at high speed! I decided a long time ago that there was no special place in heaven for people that never took chances or ever enjoyed themselves! Having a very special wife that enjoys speed even more than I do is priceless! It took a lot of bad memory to explain what you wrote and for me, it was 100+% appreciated! Now you are ready for what I say to people when they leave my house of from where ever we are! "DRIVE FAST AND TAKE CHANCES" Great read Bergie!!
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posted November 13, 2002 04:17 PM
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I decided a long time ago that there was no special place in heaven for people that never took chances or ever enjoyed themselves!
Amen! Great reading guys, thanks.
 
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posted November 15, 2002 01:38 AM
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posted November 15, 2002 08:46 PM
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posted November 15, 2002 10:30 PM
Very good words of wisdom Vincent. It is always nice to see someone with your experience and talents share this kind of information. It is an amazing thing how our minds can enable us to accomplish incredible things and yet the same mind holds us back on occasion.
I have thought about ZX12 girl and Wilson quite a bit over the past months. I was in a very bad high speed crash a litlle over 25 years ago. Broke me into a million pieces. Certainly, I consider myself lucky to have kept my arms and legs. I remeber the stress the cold sweats and amprehension when I made the decission to get back on a bike 3 years later. I am very glad that I did that. And for both Wilson and ZX12 Girls sake I am certain that they will be better for it as well.
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posted November 16, 2002 06:35 AM
Bergie Really surprised me and let it really hang out! (Trust of friends) I felt he needed to know that no one can have it worse or better (to them), but a confirmation in what he did and how he did it was just about the same for all of us! One thing I did not say is my thought of why young people go faster than Old people!
Young people believe that you either live or die! Older people believe that there is a 3 state of living ! Almost being dead! Where your brain works, but nothing else does! You just lay there and blink your eyes! It is this state that slows us from riding 12 tenths and 11 tenths to 9 and ten tenths! With our skill and feeling, we can ride better than 99 % of the youngsters 100% of the time, but since there are a lot of youngsters out there, it pushes us pretty far back! The real problem is when the youngsters can ride as well as you can at ten tenths and ride at 11 & 12 tenths! Since we will just not go there, we get beat! To me, it is this understanding that must be the reason why Honda chose Nickey Hayden over Collin Edwards! The knew that he was now old enough and been through enough to know this third state of living and it was a case of where he only had a few more years before he would succumb to this, where Nickey still has maybe 5 more years!
BTW, I am living in the 4th State of live! This is where you know about the other 3 states and then put your hand is the man above and then hang it out like a person that only knows the first two states! I was always nervous before a race and it was not until the flag dropped that I regained control! After the flag I was then great! Before my first ride at Maxton and seeing the track conditions, I could not believe that I was going to ride there! I was even more surprised by the fact that I never even felt nervous! After the first run, I was totally relaxed and now, it is almost a yawn! Yes, I have watched the handle bars go from lock to lock when crossing the larger part of the ridge between the 2 concrete slabs! It never even occured to me to "Consider" slowing down or worrying about it! Actually, I smiled because the bike handled it so well! The only thing I am having a problem with is that I did not go over 200 and must wait for 4 or 5 more months!
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posted November 16, 2002 06:35 AM
Bergie Really surprised me and let it really hang out! (Trust of friends) I felt he needed to know that no one can have it worse or better (to them), but a confirmation in what he did and how he did it was just about the same for all of us! One thing I did not say is my thought of why young people go faster than Old people!
Young people believe that you either live or die! Older people believe that there is a 3 state of living ! Almost being dead! Where your brain works, but nothing else does! You just lay there and blink your eyes! It is this state that slows us from riding 12 tenths and 11 tenths to 9 and ten tenths! With our skill and feeling, we can ride better than 99 % of the youngsters 100% of the time, but since there are a lot of youngsters out there, it pushes us pretty far back! The real problem is when the youngsters can ride as well as you can at ten tenths and ride at 11 & 12 tenths! Since we will just not go there, we get beat! To me, it is this understanding that must be the reason why Honda chose Nickey Hayden over Collin Edwards! The knew that he was now old enough and been through enough to know this third state of living and it was a case of where he only had a few more years before he would succumb to this, where Nickey still has maybe 5 more years!
BTW, I am living in the 4th State of live! This is where you know about the other 3 states and then put your hand is the man above and then hang it out like a person that only knows the first two states! I was always nervous before a race and it was not until the flag dropped that I regained control! After the flag I was then great! Before my first ride at Maxton and seeing the track conditions, I could not believe that I was going to ride there! I was even more surprised by the fact that I never even felt nervous! After the first run, I was totally relaxed and now, it is almost a yawn! Yes, I have watched the handle bars go from lock to lock when crossing the larger part of the ridge between the 2 concrete slabs! It never even occured to me to "Consider" slowing down or worrying about it! Actually, I smiled because the bike handled it so well! The only thing I am having a problem with is that I did not go over 200 and must wait for 4 or 5 more months!
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posted November 16, 2002 09:18 AM
Well I guess you had best get to work! You only have 4 months to get yourself and the bike ready to do 200.
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VincentHill
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posted November 16, 2002 11:27 AM
"What do you mean"!! "GET TO WORK" I have already started! I got sidetracked going to gainesville, but plan to be sending the Swing Arm to Spencer next week for the "0" to "6" Treatment! Getting the Billet Basket (I have already done the Muzzy treatment, but may get the thicker plates! Also sending the cams to Falicon so I can finally change the cam timing! You just reminded me foe a new thread I need to start about the Spencer Billet top clamp! Thanks!
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posted November 18, 2002 01:35 PM
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