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posted November 14, 2009 08:33 PM
Wego Issue??
took it out for the first ride to data log,, for some reason the AF will pin every now and again @ 19.5 anyone hear of this symptom? i calibrated it and the bikes very rich 10.8-12.2s
i made an adjustment to all the values and gonna take another ride tomorrow,, but i was wondering if anyone might know what causes the spike to 19.5 ,, it happens when im holding steady @ 3 or 4K RPM,, as soon as i let off she starts to take good readings?
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posted November 14, 2009 10:36 PM
i get spikes when i air shift. a back fire would probly do the same thing. also when you are making a quick run and close the throttle all the way, (like at the end of a drag strip) dont be suprised to see it go super lean
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posted November 15, 2009 05:39 AM
no,, this is happening when i shift thru the first few gears and achieve a cruising sppend,, the numbers will adjust until i hold the throttle at a steady rpm then it will pin at 19.5 until i let off the gas,, under hard accelaration it will act fine as long as i dont hold it at 3 or 4K?
Very weird,, what are some of the symptoms of a sensor going out?
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posted November 15, 2009 01:07 PM
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no,, this is happening when i shift thru the first few gears and achieve a cruising sppend,, the numbers will adjust until i hold the throttle at a steady rpm then it will pin at 19.5 until i let off the gas,, under hard accelaration it will act fine as long as i dont hold it at 3 or 4K?
Very weird,, what are some of the symptoms of a sensor going out?
Twista, I have the same problem as you. I'm trying to set mine up to get decent mileage for crusing, and run into rich and lean spikes. One example is at 4260 RPM, at 6 or 7 percent throttle opening, I get a reading of about 12.8. At 8 percent, it jumps to 15+ then at 9 percent, it goes back to around 13.5 or so. I have yet to figure a way to adjust my map so that I can remove this spike without screwing up every cell thats around it. (I'm in the process of installing a USB unit to take advantage of the different RPM adjustment. (250 instead of 500 RPM ) Although, i'm thinking that messing with the factory map might be the way to go? I don't think there is anything wrong with our sensors, i've been chasing this around for quite some time.
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posted November 15, 2009 02:08 PM
mine is totally different,, the spike is absolute,, it is adjusting normally to riding then when i hold it at say 4K rpm,, it will pin @ 19.5 (the highest it can go) then when i let off it continues to work normally,, feel free to call me to discuss stuff,, always willing to talk and learn,,,,,,Vic 718 314 9292
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posted November 15, 2009 03:34 PM
mine has never done that... buts its an Innovate unit so i dunno how different it is from the wego. a sensor going bad will read leaner and leaner till its way high, but i think it does it all the time...not just periodically. check your wiring, if your unit says to not hook up to the battery for ground maybe try at the ecu. the black yellow wires are all ground, and all eventually lead to the battery from the ecu.
have you added any fuel to 4K to see what happens?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted November 15, 2009 03:52 PM
i have an excellent ground,, my battery took a shit,, so in the meantime i will aquire another sensor,, and then a NEW battery and try another session,, gotta be something stupid or simple.. just wanted to talk to some others that have the Wego unit so i can learn other stuff that i dont know and share what ive learned already about it..
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posted November 15, 2009 04:00 PM
if you did not get rid of the kleen system this is diluting your exhaust with air and messing with the readings. i am just going to assume you did not either block off the kleen or turn the kleen into the neg crank case mod. wnen my o2 sensor died it would read lean when it should be ok. it would only work at lower rpms. i replaced it and ok. but if your kleen is on and working it is the problem.
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posted November 15, 2009 04:05 PM
are you guys tuneing power commanders?
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posted November 15, 2009 04:25 PM
Kleen removed,, Hmmm weird,, im thinking the sensor took a crap... anyone else using the wego have issues similar,, i can email the log file so you can take a look at it..
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posted November 15, 2009 09:15 PM
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are you guys tuneing power commanders?
Yea, I am. (3R unit for now) Also i'm using a Dynojet wideband unit, not a Wego. (I also think the Wego is a better unit.) I'm tempted to do the "flashing thing", but it may be beyond my skill level. It would be nice to see the program inside the black box. Quarter mile and land speed guys most likely wont see this because they zip through the RPM band so quickly. (The sample rate on my unit is only 10 per second.) And yes, I can add fuel to cover the lean spot, but then the cells on either side, become way to rich.
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posted November 16, 2009 08:37 AM
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are you guys tuneing power commanders?
Yea, I am. (3R unit for now) Also i'm using a Dynojet wideband unit, not a Wego. (I also think the Wego is a better unit.) I'm tempted to do the "flashing thing", but it may be beyond my skill level. It would be nice to see the program inside the black box. Quarter mile and land speed guys most likely wont see this because they zip through the RPM band so quickly. (The sample rate on my unit is only 10 per second.) And yes, I can add fuel to cover the lean spot, but then the cells on either side, become way to rich.
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send me an email so i can talk to ya, im running the wideband also with same scenerio. since pm's are not working contact me through animalinstincts72@yahoo.com
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posted November 16, 2009 09:33 AM
they "work" now similar to an IM
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted November 16, 2009 09:36 AM
twista,
i seen where the spike was coming from hookup at the coil and then changed to injector and it stopped the spike. might want to try that..
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posted November 16, 2009 01:52 PM
I never tried the coil,, im using the injector,, buy i am noticing the injectors shut down when i let off the throttle,, not liking that.. i need help bad trying to figure out this problem,.., chris at daytona sensors thinks it reversion (exhaust back tracking) because of the exhaust im using (akrapovic) if that is the case i bought it for nothing! and i might have to sell it,, unless i can figure out the problem,, i really need more wego users to chime in or give me a call so i can pic there brain.. 718 314 9292 thanx guys
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posted November 16, 2009 02:39 PM
put a bunch of 5s in the zero tps column
are you sure your pipe isnt leaking air anywhere?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted November 16, 2009 02:54 PM
 Edited By: kaw12 on 16 Nov 2009 22:55
i wouldnt think you would get that much reversion. usually you only would get reversion at low rpm's and not even that much if any at all. or at decelleration..
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posted November 16, 2009 05:44 PM
well vic if not the o2 sensor than almost have to think about reversion. just for the hell of it maybe block off some of the pipe outlet and ride it to see if it goes away.
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posted November 16, 2009 06:23 PM
welcome to the word of data logging the innovate shit sucks 2
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posted November 16, 2009 06:25 PM
Edited By: twista on 17 Nov 2009 02:28
any idea what i would use to block it off? Scott ,, what are the 5s gonna do? is ther an easy way to check for a pipe leak,, im not seeing anything visual,, when i installed it i used new exhaust gaskets,, the bung is welded fine,, only place it could leak is at the collector/mid pipe? i would think??
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posted November 16, 2009 06:53 PM
i doubt there is a leak.i wish you were close we could put my loggers o2 sensor.
there is just something about that error when it goes real lean that makes me wonder about the sensor though.
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posted November 16, 2009 07:07 PM
i thought you could calibrate that sensor
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twista
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posted November 16, 2009 07:14 PM
Edited By: twista on 17 Nov 2009 03:15
how far in PA are ya? yes the sensor is able to be calibrated,, did it once and then had the issue,, then next morning calibrated again per the instuctions and was gonna take it for a ride,, but the battery was dead again.. need a battery first off,, then need to see if i can start pecking away at potential causes of this problem,, if your not that far away in Pennsylvania that might be doable.. let me know where you are in that state. you might be right about the sensor,, i have a guy on another board that just bought a NEW wego3 and has a new sensor that he is willing to let me try,,, might have to go that route just to rule out the sensor..
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posted November 16, 2009 07:17 PM
Edited By: 2000redrocket on 17 Nov 2009 03:18
i am 15 mi east of hershey park. truck the bike down and we can plug in my O2 sensor.though i bet since they are 80 bucks the gas could cost that. we do get to hang out though. who can put a price on that? come eairly friday so we can trouble shoot and then go to cecil with todd shults and i and u can hit 95 which is real close to cecil to go home.
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posted November 16, 2009 07:20 PM
hey i got a question; awhile back ago i was having trouble with my charging system dropping to high11's. ok? ok, well eventually i found out i didnt have a plug commpletely plugged all the way in and it was causing the volts to dropped..prob. left my battery in a no state charged and eventually killed the battery. maybe find a loose plug on the side where all the connectors are and make sure they all plugged in tight. maybe the low voltage is causing you infinite spikes. dont know, just a thought..
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