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posted September 06, 2009 11:25 AM
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at the local track, made first pass n after the run clutch will not fully disengage like some of the plates n fibers wont release, opened the cap n plenty of oil over the plates that i can see, what else could b the problem. bout to take the 2nd time run but afraid she will creep once i try n get my rpms up, already adjusted it way out tryin to compensate, please dont say the clutch is gone. just hope they free up when i leave to go home, i did come out at 7k n went 1.63 ( wit the wide tire) ne help would b appreciated, also ran a 10.04 at 136, those that know my looks only setup know that aint bad for what i'm running, plus 760 overall lbs,lol
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posted September 06, 2009 01:45 PM
Probably a new clutch?...Muzzy clutch set up with muzzy springs correct?...If so then you need to make a few more passes then it will settle in...
Shut the bike off, click the gear shifter down to first gear, then pull it up easy into nuetral...Turn key on to make sure nuetral light is on, if not then click down then up till light comes on...
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posted September 06, 2009 03:01 PM
well, just got home n it didnt go as well as i thought, after that 1rst pass the clutch was stickin like i said n when i staged and went to get my rpms up the bike started to move, i tried to go up to 5k n i was holdin the bike back wit my legs with the clutch all the way in, so that pass sucked, 1.678, 10.18, at 135, my reaction time was a .........well i wont say, lets just say i saw the green, lol. After this pass when i got to the end to turn around the clutch was back to normal, when pulled in and reved up it didnt move, dont know why but glad it was back to normal. As for the 3rd pass, i adjusted the lever back to where i thought it was n came out at 7k but locked throttle n didnt let out of clutch fast enough, needless to say she went up in the air n i went st8 to 2nd. Went a 1.68, 10.14, at 136. Got sent packin", so no 9's again but a decent 1.63,10.043, 136mph. Up from the 10.17, 134 i went 2 weeks ago. I think it was the 112 i put in at the track, i said give me 2 gallons, he pumped it and said 16 something, S#$T, If i only knew, lol. Rode it home n clutch is acting normal, so i aint gonna worry to much about it, thanks ne way
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posted September 06, 2009 05:34 PM
you ran c12?
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posted September 07, 2009 04:15 AM
112 octane was what i believe it to b, purple fuel at the track, i saw a few bikes get it b4 so wit the 13.5 to 1 compression i figured the higher octane would b fine. =t felt stronger n the mph went up, road it 40 min back home, n road pretty hard ( mayb due to the fact i got put out 1rst round,lol). almost everybody down there runs mr9 but they said u have 2 drain ur lines n run regular fuel back through the injectors after use, too much of a hassle to me, i had almost 2 gallons it it n put 2 of the 112, so i'd imagine it lessened the octane when mixed n, if u saw my post of my map u would c that it looks pretty crazy, i had heard that an mr9 map would b richer due to the oxygenated fuel. i might already b tooo lean as it is, hopefully i will get the map str8 n the next 2 weeks. Motor is not what it should've been,
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posted September 07, 2009 05:20 AM
you do not need to run that high of octane. c12 is only 108. unless you have some crazy ign advance numbers, you dont need higher than you can get at a normal gas station. Im not sure how your pistons or combustion chambers were prepped, but I run my bike on either 87 or 91 octane with 5.5 degrees added in the higher rpm range(3-4 is a good starting point)i run 87 if im going to be running all motor, and 91 if i might spray the bike that wknd.
im at 13:1 cr, last yr i was 13.5:1 and ran the same gas/timing. if i were you, i would get 93 and see what happens. mph can be greatly affected by a number of things if you arent consistant
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posted September 07, 2009 07:04 AM
Well, i m definately not consistant, I always run 93 in the bike, this was the first time i did the 112 gas, Just to try it out, it was cooler, n i didnt run it hard to the track cause i left in good enough time to just chill, so maybe the cooler air was why i picked the mph up. For the cost of the gas i will only be running 93 in it anyway, lol. I still need to do a comp test n leak down, just to c if its healthy or not, only been a year n half since rebuild. Only been to the track 3 times in that duration. It was fun though, just wish I couldve made more passes though. I m only 3 to 3.5 advanced, but every time i go i have knocking the et down, only if i can get that 1.55 n keep the 330 good i will run that 9. Friend of mine lined up on his zx10 n ran 9.11, all motor wit pump gas. 1.43 60' his mph was 121 at the 1/8 n went 148. Now thats a damn shame, lol So what i got him by 150lbs or better, lmao
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posted September 07, 2009 10:09 AM
i was fighting a loosing battle this wknd with my clutch(i warped a bunch of steels) but i ran a 9.30 @ 154. 1.70 60 ft, 122mph in the 1/8. on 91 octane NA the bike is doing its job, the driver just needs more seat time lol
a 1.43 would have put that run around 8.80 easy
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posted September 07, 2009 05:22 PM
Lockwood (zx10 guy), his first pass that day was a 9.05, dont know the speed but the 9.11 was 1.43, 3.81, 5.831, 121.3mph, 7.598, 9.112, 148mph. all motor, crazy aint it. U pul a 1.7o 60 n ran 9.30, that bike is makin up alot in the big end for u aint it, lol. Wish i had ur mph (hp) Next year i may just take n put the stock wheel back on it just to c what the difference may b. I sold the stock stuff on ebay, Yeah i know, at the time the rims where chrome n they were just sitting in the shed for 2 and half years so i sold them before they started to pit up. ALL AFTER MARKET RIMS WILL PIT UP!!!!! U got a 1270 in urs right?
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posted September 07, 2009 05:57 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 8 Sep 2009 02:05
1287, yeah when i hit my shift points well and get a good tuck, she really flys  i should get into lsr instead of drag....
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
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posted September 12, 2009 03:20 PM
Edited By: biggmoinc on 12 Sep 2009 23:23
i was bangin at 10.5k, I think that also couldve been the reason for better mph, i actually paid attention to the shift point, i may have been short shifting a little. kinda sucks seein the zx10 guy run damn near the same as a built up 12 sprayin, i dont have 9 sec license ne way, lmao, but i will run one in the next few weeks. Bike is also only geard 3 teeth up in the back, so at 760 a 1.5X might b pretty hard to get n maintain a good 330
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posted September 12, 2009 06:08 PM
gear that thing for top of 5th at the end.that rear tire can use the help.it helped my bike some.
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posted September 12, 2009 06:44 PM
shift as close to the 11600 rev limit as possible
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted September 12, 2009 06:58 PM
or kz get the rrmod and set it to 12000. you do not need to go there but it is noce to nail it at 11,700 and nor wory about blowing the run hitting the limiter.
i got mine at 12,000 and still shift at 11,700. have not hit it since. though it seems everytime i run tshults bike i hit it usually.
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posted September 13, 2009 07:00 AM
Im planning on getting mine set to 12700 this winter. i believe thats the limit that RR can do.
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted September 13, 2009 08:23 AM
Edited By: biggmoinc on 13 Sep 2009 16:25
well, what is the rev stock rev limit? Once i get the remap i should be able to c where the peak is at on the dyno printout, i think the 12 hold there peak for bout a 1k right? as long as i shift in that span i should be good right?
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posted September 13, 2009 09:56 AM
11600. it should build power past the stock rev limit with a full system and proper mapping as long as the cams are not setup with super low CLs. you drop 600 rpm with a gear change. if you short shift, you are never in peak power, and drop even lower on the shift
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 13, 2009 11:43 AM
imma try it wed at test n tue, i will let u know results. hopefully my first 9 pass, lol
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posted September 13, 2009 11:52 AM
remember, indicated and actual rpm are a bit diff. i shift just past 12000 on the tach when im on my game. my data logger shows thats around 11350 ish. it shows the rev limit at 11580 when i hit it every now and then...
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted September 13, 2009 11:53 AM
take your tach up to 12000 before you shift. if it is like most of ours the limiter hits around 12,200 on the tach which electronic is 11,700rpms. the tach is off a bit.
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posted September 13, 2009 08:03 PM
My shift light is set at 11,700, with an extended ecu
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posted July 22, 2011 05:17 AM
New issue, replaced puller n rod, 2 fibers, stack height 57.4, cable adjusted as manual says, problem is bike moves while clutch is pulled in, once started in gear holding front brake I can let off the clutch h lever almost 3/4 of the way out before bike starts pulling, took down the street n clutches slip at high rpms????????
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posted July 22, 2011 02:57 PM
took it back apart n found 3 slightly warped plates, swapped em out, the smaller fiber was a lil thin but i had to reuse it anyway, got it together n it seems to not want to pull as bad and the clutch actually engages a lil off the bar grip, so ...........wit all that being said i'm going to say i need new clutches, lol,
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posted July 22, 2011 05:29 PM
i have found each clutch set can enguage differently. get ready to have to re think launching maybe. i check my clutch every couple of weekends and replace the worse steels if any are really dark.i also wipe the friction plates off to get the "dust off"
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posted July 23, 2011 07:56 AM
it lasted 2- 2 1/2 years i guess, cant complain, definitely going back wit stock oem n maybe a few 2.0 steels depending on stack height, i like the taller side of the stack cause wit the 240 i'm sure added slippage is a possiblitiy wit a lil wear, a few track days n a lil hard street ridiing n they have held up nicely, now........to get a new set, damn it, i'm never gonna get this thing tuned, lol
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