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posted October 27, 2002 09:06 PM
Maxton Report 204.72226 MPH
My best speed of the weekend was 204.72226 MPH, backed up with a 204.22983. Unfortunately I couldn't put these numbers down when it counted but doubled up my "200-club" status when I did manage to increase ever so slightly the APS/F-3001+ record to 202.89920 MPH. Given more time, 205+ was definitely do-able but I had other plans that required my attention. 
All runs this weekend were severely traction limited (major problems launching even as far down course as 4th gear breaking loose!) but overall I was very happy with the results! 
I ran the bike for the first time with no bodywork with a best of 177.81641 MPH! which feels faster than 200! because of the lack of protection, also setting two class records for M/G-1350 and M/G-3000. 
Okay I'm tired.. It's late so I will update in the morning, pics and write-up to follow, and videos coming later in the week.
  
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posted October 27, 2002 09:11 PM
Congrats Bergie. I got pretty banged up and enjoyed the ginzo wedding I attended Saturday. Enjoyed part of Sunday riding with the Falconcop in NJ!
Glad to hear you did well! Ill be there in March...for sure! ;D
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posted October 27, 2002 09:12 PM
Bergie, what size is your engine? I thought you set the 3000 M/G record and that your bike was bigger than 1350? "Lack of traction"!! Bergie had a swingarm that would do a Hill climber proud! I saw the little person on the rear of your bike with a steering wheel, so you could get around the tight turns!
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posted October 27, 2002 09:54 PM
 Edited By: RAC4IT on 27 Oct 2002 21:58
Oh I thought you already knew that my bike has the Muzzys 59.4mm "1361" series stroker crankshaft which is roughly a +4mm increase in stroke, however Lee's installed (swapped in) custom standard_bore JE forged pistons instead of the larger +2.4mm_overbore or +2.5mm_overbore pistons that were included in the Muzzys kit, we did this specifically to be class legal at Maxton so technically it's not a true "Muzzys 1361" although we reference that since people will know what we're talking about mod-wise. If I recall correctly the specific combination used is also not quite as high compression as the Muzzys 1270 or Muzzys 1361 kits.
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posted October 27, 2002 10:49 PM
What gearing did you run?
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posted October 28, 2002 03:38 AM
Good job Bergie,
At least I didn't lose my record to one of them off brand bikes, good to see a 12 still in the books. We need to look at getting the Production Class record away from the 'Busa.......any ideas?
How did Rich do?
How did Vincent do?
How was the weather?
Man I wish we could have made it, looking forward to Springtime already!
Congratulations,
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posted October 28, 2002 04:59 AM
Edited By: VincentHill on 28 Oct 2002 05:12
Vincent "Wasted" a lot of "Time"!! After a first run of 180, (now with Bergie's Blessings ) I got my "B" License! I am still trying to figure out what the fuss is over licenses! As far as I was concerned, a class "Z" license was fine with me (provided the bike could run the numbers I wanted)! Overall, the bike was 6.7 mph slower than I thought was possible for me to run (190) and 16.7 mph slower than I would like to run!
My seat expirment (My old F-1 seat) but with adjustable mounts to have 5 inches of up and down adjustment in front to change the angle of the seat rear in relationship to my back (Read smoother air flow over my back) which came from talking to you guys about raising your rear by standing on the foor pegs! (Read "Old People do not want to waste their energy STANDING UP on the foot pegs at 180+ mph")! Over the winter, I will lengthen the rear of the seat 3 inches (adjustable for wheel Base) Lenghten the front of the seat (After having the seat 4 inches higher and jumping back on it I under estimated just how high the seat was and tried to use the front of the seat to decrease the amount of Jewels in the family! Boy did that hurt! ) I am also going to make the sides of the seat longer so that only the part of the tire wheel necessary to be seen will be seen!
Why so much over a seat?? My understanding of Aerodynamics is limited (Only a few years of College taking up Aeronautical Engineering "Another story") the rear end is more important than the front end! Since the seat was designed by a Detroit engineer (Doug Teague) in a wind tunnel, I have a very good basis to start work! (The seat was longer originally, but I had to make a choice for AMA Racing of either shorting the end of the seat or removing 3 inches from me! Back then, 3 inches was important to me!
I found something to try next year which "WILL" gain me 5 to 6 mph (nothing to do with the bike) Also I had a surprise! I had just regeared from 18 / 46 to 18/44 so I felt I would need to more power off of the line! (I had never used this tall of a gear before) So I gasses it a little harder and feathered the clutch a little less, and the bike stood straight up! It happened sooo fast that it was half way up before even I could believe it! I have no problems with wheelies (when I am trying to do it) but I was totally unprepared for it! As soon as the bike started down, I gassed it again and while on the way down, it hit, bounced, and went straight back up "AGAIN"!(I had lowered the front end 1 inch "Against my better judgment"! Feeling that this was not "SAFE" I also installed 4 special narrow but thick stainless hose clamps on both tubes under both clamps to avoid the tubes slipping up in the clamps!A Suggestion for SAFETY for EVERYONE that has raised their tubes!) I just could not believe this run! Ran high 179 even after all of that! (This is part of where I think I can find 4 to 5 mph next year! When you have nothing to lose, you can expirment! I will never tell what I found)!
HP Wise, (Again over the winter) Adjust the Valves, Degree the cams, Billet Basket! I may even invest in a "Stroker" Crankshaft! I do not think I will Bore it! I may even consider a swing arm extension (Read 4 inches of adjustability from stock to 4 over) I never want to be locked into having a "Street Hill Climber"!! That is it for me (OH did I mention the gas tank!! Maybe take a stock tank and cut the top off of it! That will surely lower me!)
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posted October 28, 2002 07:32 AM
Great job Bergie!
Steve, I've read about those Perkins (Falconcop) runs, how do those guys ride. Did you get to spank some suzuki ass? Tell us a little about the ride.
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posted October 28, 2002 08:51 AM
Koz, you "need" to ride under the "blanket of immunity".
Perkins was an absolute mad house on Sunday morning. There was a mile long traffic jam up and down the mountain!! I had to split lanes all the way up to the top. Met up with Falcon. Cool guy and a hell of a rider. His buddy rode the temp tags off his ST4...lol. Another guy from Albany rode down, so there was only 4 of us. Typically the pack is about 6 deep or more.
We blasted down 7 Lakes Drive (or Tar Snake Alley..hehe) to 287. Speeds of up to 175mph or more. The old turbo bike I borrowed was wiggling hard at the upper speeds. Had to keep it civil...
Civilians and motorists were "terrorized" by the pack. Those guys led as me and the lone Busa tailed close. Every motor vehicle code was broken in outlaw fashion...
Track 1 is a series of on and offs on the 17/4 highways and the Bergen Mall. Very neat setup. Im grateful he showed me it! Too bad the Jets sucked yesterday...we really could have used Track 2 at the Meadowlands...hehe.
Falcon is planning on one next Sunday. I suggest making it. I would go solo though and wear all your gear!
They usually meet noonish at Perkins. Should be a good showing next week. The Kawi-Suzuki thing goes out the window. Its more about cars vs bikes...lol. Riding under the "blanket" makes the Hyper runs much more enjoyable...just keep FC in your sights...lol
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posted October 28, 2002 03:52 PM
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What gearing did you run?
Gearing was 18/43 using a D208 pulled from a 2002 ZX12R. I bounced the limiter with 18/44 using a Shinko 190 tire (which is smaller OD).
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posted October 28, 2002 03:58 PM
Edited By: RAC4IT on 28 Oct 2002 15:59
quote:
Good job Bergie,
At least I didn't lose my record to one of them off brand bikes, good to see a 12 still in the books. We need to look at getting the Production Class record away from the 'Busa.......any ideas?
How did Rich do?
How did Vincent do?
How was the weather?
Man I wish we could have made it, looking forward to Springtime already!
Congratulations,
Dan
Dan- Funny you mention this as I was talking with Guthrie about the production class and those are some records we will be shooting for next year! I found out that you can pretty much do anything internally to the engine that you choose as long as you run OEM bodywork and stock OD exhaust outlet!
Rich was having an off-weekend. His best was 186 but was mostly running consistant 181~182 mph passes. I made two passes on his bike both 190/191 range. His bike seems to need significant tuning (1270cc with no powercommander). I let him run my bike a couple times his best was 194 and change.
Weather was awesome; slight headwind most of the weekend but if you could catch it at the right time almost zero wind occassionally, otherwise probably 5mph max headwind but nothing like the September event just enough to keep the flags up.
Thanks for the cudos I'll be back next year and I am going to break several of the non-bodywork records I plan to exceed 180 naked.
I also plan to bring and try a M/T shootout tire next year. Traction was the worst ever this past event with all the dust, dirt and sand on the course. I actually was breaking loose in 4th gear around the 140mph mark.. sketchy.
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posted October 28, 2002 04:15 PM
Edited By: RAC4IT on 28 Oct 2002 17:32
BTW I ran 52psi rear and 55psi front made a big difference but obviously made getting off the line more difficult. Also these runs were all without Bear stacks which we swapped over to the red 12R for this event.
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posted October 28, 2002 06:21 PM
So is it safe to say that your 204 was near or at the rev limiter with the 18/43 gearing? I am trying to get a handle on the real speeds capable with the gearing. I have a up-coming project you might say that involves three conected 5 mile straightaways.
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posted October 28, 2002 06:56 PM
There was some room left with the 43.
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posted October 28, 2002 08:37 PM
What do you think top speed on pavement my 1361 with a dryshot of NOS is likely? The rider will weigh in at about 150.
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posted October 28, 2002 08:50 PM
The question is true top speed or standing-start one-mile at Maxton? Two totally different things and obviously depends on gearing. The guys that have done Bonneville would know better than myself.. maybe ask advice from Doug Meyer or someone who has run Bonneville?
From my own experience, on an absolutely perfect run at Maxton, I went 202.593 on motor alone (195~200 rwhp). I have not been able to repeat it but I have gone 200 and change on motor since then.
On a 40~50hp shot of dry nitrous it should be worth about +5 mph if you can get it to hookup. My experience spraying partial 5th gear and all of 6th using a #34 jet averaged 3 to 4 MPH increase over motor passes but traction was limited, couldn't spray in 4th. Ideally if you could spray 3rd gear and higher at Maxton I would guess that 208 MPH is possible with your combination on a perfect run with perfect weather conditions.
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posted October 28, 2002 08:56 PM
Yeah what I looking for is an all out top speed run on the pavement. I have approached a couple of riends whom work with Laser and radar as a part of their day job to document top speed. I just don't want to show up with to little or to much in the way of gearing. The area is five miles long with the entrace corner onto the straightaway being a hundred mile per hour turn and the exit at the end of the 5 miles being a 100 mile an turn.
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posted October 29, 2002 08:24 AM
Photos are up
http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/photos/events/102602/lowres
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