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posted October 20, 2002 11:26 PM
Need some part numbers please??
I need some part numbers please, can anyone help me out here.
On the right side, the passenger footpeg that also holds up the exhaust, there are 2 allen head screws that screw in on the top of the footpeg to the chassis...what is the part number for those screws please??
Also...the 12 has three headlights. There are the 2 main ones, and the 1 single triangular one in the center. What is the part number to replace the bulb housed in the center triangular spot?
Please...all help is appreciated..thanks.
   
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posted October 21, 2002 12:18 AM
Hey Beans,
All those part numbers are online at buykawasaki.com
92151-1372 BOLT,SOCKET,10X30
92069-1016 BULB,12V 5W
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posted October 21, 2002 07:15 AM
Those online parts diagrams are pretty handy.
You can do a lot better than the stock bulbs too. The headlights are H4's, if you're interested in an upgrade let me know and I'll give you the info on what I use.
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posted October 21, 2002 07:24 AM
Hey guys...believe me when I say I did look at buykawasaki.com but I didnt find anything. Under which category of the diagrams did you find these at??
I found the passenger footpegs, but the exploded diagram didnt show anything for the bolts?
And I found the headlight diagram, but it doesnt show the triangular light that is in the center?
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posted October 21, 2002 07:43 AM
 Edited By: DaveInDaytona on 21 Oct 2002 08:43
Under Headlight
Under Frame Fittings
The city light is a standard wedge bulb. If you're going to replace them go with another one than the stock.
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posted October 21, 2002 07:45 AM
See, I dont see that city light in the diagram still.
But talk to me Dave...I'm open ears...what should I replace all 3 of those headlight bulbs with? What do you use??
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posted October 21, 2002 07:56 AM
Edited By: DaveInDaytona on 21 Oct 2002 08:57
Well in the picture above the arrow is pointing at the bulb, 23007A is the housing the bulb fits in.
I use these, in my opinion there's none better.
Find them at the bottom of this page.
http://www.piaa.com/h4bulbs.html
Twin Pack 15960
Bulb Type 12V - H4
Wattage 60/55w = 135/125w
5000K low beam, 4200K high beam
Then......
Wedge bulbs are at the bottom of this page. Once you change your headlights the city light will look yellow if you don't change it to a real white one.
http://www.piaa.com/wedgebulbs.html
Twin Pack 19168
Bulb Type 168 Wedge
Wattage 5w
Technology Super White
can you tell I'm on a boring conference call ?????? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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posted October 21, 2002 08:00 AM
Edited By: beansbaxter on 21 Oct 2002 09:03
Thanks Dave...and since your in a boring conference call, I'll ask some more questions to help spend your time up....
Which colors of those lights do you use and recommend? Are they really brighter then the stock ones?
Should I order through my dealer or get them online somewhere? I figure shipping would be bad to order online since there such a lightweight item.
You say there is nothing better, so I ask why? Just curious on that though.
Thanks for all your help Dave!!
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posted October 21, 2002 08:14 AM
They are white, very very white. If you see the light scale rating posted with each bulb you'll see how white they are. They use 60/55 watts and put out 135/125 watts. The stock ones use 60/55 and put out 60/55 and when you swap them out it's a "wow" kind of difference compared to stock. I originally wasn't planning on replacing the city light bulb when I first replaced the headlights but when I put the new lights in the city light literally looked yellow in comparison.
Oh, I said IN MY OPINION they are the best because you'll see plenty of other opinions. I've even gone out and bought the NAPA bulbs a lot of people talk about and ran one of each, these make those lights look yellow.
I bought mine online, I shopped prices and the last order came from http://worksmotorsport.com/ because they had the best prices but you may want to shop around. I also replaced the 1157 tail lights because they are much brighter too, I like all the brake light I can get.
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posted October 21, 2002 08:17 AM
What bulb did you use to replace the brake light with?
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posted October 21, 2002 08:21 AM
The tail bulbs are 1157's, they are on the same page as the wedge bulbs.
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posted October 21, 2002 08:24 AM
Thanks Dave...and your right, I've found those bulbs listed cheaper on other's websites.
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posted October 21, 2002 08:51 AM
Those are awesome bulbs. I have the Super Whites in my silver 12, and the Xtreme whites in my red(black) 12.
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posted October 21, 2002 08:56 AM
You have two 12's????? Oh my goodness....one day I can only think lol.
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posted October 21, 2002 09:04 AM
Hey Beans,
Two 12s, a SV650 and a ZZR1200. The 12s are focused: 1 for roadracing, and the other for drag racing / land speed. The SV is roadracing as well. The ZZR is my Clark Kent bike. Gotta dyno it and see what that torque curve looks like, cuz it feels like a fewking nuclear power station down there. 
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posted October 21, 2002 09:40 AM
uh oh, here goes the light bulb argument again 
the ""other" opinion dave speaks about, is that those bulbs basically suck. yes, they are much whiter. i think the ones dave showed there (the extreme whites i think?) actually lean towards blue. or is that the next step up? i know the bluest ones are actually quite dark. there is a particular site that has a rather long discussion on all things bulbs, but i don't have the energy to look it up now. maybe someone else has it linked. the discussion has been had on this board before, so u can easily find the thread.
what it comes down to tho, is their "125/135W" output thing is bs. or more accurately, it's extremely twisted and misleading. i had the 80/80W = 115/130W piaa superwhite platinums, and they put out less than 50% more than the stockers. now considering that they have almost 50% more wattage, thats the lest i woudl expect. but they defnitely did not put out the 130W they were supposed to. fish actually used one of his lighting tools from work (he does lighting in movie production) to measure it, so thats the most definitive proof i have seen. i believe their "equivalent" rating is simply based on the colour. any light looks whiter the more juice u pump thru it as we've all seen. so i think they'r saying u'd have to pump xxxW thru a standard bulb to get that colour, assumably by raising the coltage to 20V or something.
they definitely are whiter tho, theres no denying that. they do look "cooler". the white light certainly appears brighter too, but its not. theres a few theories on why this is but i aint gettin into em. perhaps most importantly, they are much more noticeable. even with the low wattage piaas, which are no brighter than stock, they really do draw more attention from other drivers. this is generally a good thing. maybe not in rain where the glare blinds people worse, but how often do we ride in heavy rain. i guess what it comes down to, is what it's worth to u. if i was swimming in money, i'd buy the piaa's too jsut cause they are more noticeable i think. i don't care for the whiter light otherwise, and i certainly don't care about the cool factor. but at about $100CDN a pop, i'll pass. plus they dont seem to last as long as stockers. there are cheaper brands, on the order of $40CDN a pair, but i have no idea how good they may be. just for goodness sake, don't buy them because u believe their "equivalent wattage" claims. frankly, i wouldnt buy them BECAUSE of it. i despise the way companies use this kind of misleading crap to bilk money out of people. no no, i'm not bitter
swft, didn't ya have 3 12's? i guess u traded the third for the zzr?
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posted October 21, 2002 09:45 AM
How long do those Pia lights last?
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posted October 21, 2002 10:02 AM
I was wondering how long until someone brought up the bulb saga. That's why I said up front "In my opinion". These Piaa's are white, not blue, and I agree with what you said about wattage in these circumstances being an effective rating. I had the 80/80 - 115/130's before and replaced them with these. I still have one and did compare the two and these even make that bulb (which I raved about before) look yellowish. I don't need to get into another light debate but I've tried may bulbs and I think these are the best. I've tried most of the ones recommended because I wanted to see.
Quick story - when I caught up with my friends in the stands by the west horseshoe at DIS this weekend my friends wife told me that she saw me round the corner from the tunnel entrance and started to head their way which was about a half mile from where they were sitting. She told her husband that when she saw those "white ass lights" she knew it was Dave because no other bike lights up like that. He said he looked throught the binoculars and said she was right.
One other thing that I didn't mention that was mentioned before is that aiming your lights is as important as the bulbs you use. A gazillion watts lighting up your front fender or blinding passing airline pilots isn't going to help you see.
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posted October 21, 2002 10:05 AM
Do you run high beams all the time when you ride? I do, even at night. On occassion, a trucker will flash me at night, but it rarely happens.
By running high beam, do you essentially shorten the life expectancy of the bulb compared to standard beam?
And do you aim your lights using Kawasaki's recommended angle or just use Kentucky windage and do it yourself?
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posted October 21, 2002 10:06 AM
I bought 2 Piaa's, the ones freek is talking about, in May 2000 for my 12. Almost 14,000 miles and one hard crash later they were ok. I put them in my 2002 and about 3000 miles later one failed (low beam only) so I replaced them both with the ones I was talking about up there. So for me one lasted 17,000 miles and one hard smack and the other is still going. Bulbs don't like to be hit hard so I'm thinking that made that one go early.
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posted October 21, 2002 10:30 AM
I run highs when it is sunny, any other time I would be blinding the oncoming driver and I don't want that. I've swapped bikes and ridden past mine in the opposite direction and highs on even when it's sunny out are almost too much to look at.
Why would running highs shorten the bulb life ?
To me Kawasaki's aiming leaves it a bit short, you can do a better job than that.
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posted October 21, 2002 10:42 AM
I agree, the highs are painful to look at even in sunny weather. And Kaw does seem to set the aiming low. Was much better after I reaimed them. I used the method in the manual to aim them, worked pretty good!
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posted October 21, 2002 11:43 AM
certainly didnt mean to discredit what u had said dave; and i did notice the IMO. it is, as usual, a personal decision in the end. a matter of how willing u r to spend the money more than anything. like i siad, my big objection comes with their marketing BS, not so much with the bulbs themselves.
regarding bulb life, no, high beams will not shorten livespan. high beam uses a separate filament, it is not attained by pumpin double the wattage thru the low beam filament (as i assumed many years ago). ur high beam will of course burn out faster, but it's usually the low that goes anyhow. i ran a month or so with my high beams on as the lows burned out within days of each other. and in defense of the bulbs, i had many hard landings, so i shoudlnt be surprised that they burned out as fast as they did. hell, i bought a 80/100 Hella bulb early this summer and it burned out aftrer about 2 months, while the cheapo Worldlight brand bulb continued on just fine.
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posted October 21, 2002 12:17 PM
I didn't take it as a discredit frEEk. I'm not into the hype either, I look at results. Those numbers could be used to compare their various products but maybe not compare to a bulb from another company. The light scaleon the other hand is an interest to me because it's listed in degrees Kelvin and can let you know the "whiteness" but not many manufacturers list that info. That's why I ended up buying a few different types and comparing them. One other thing you may notice is that the bulb itself is slightly larger than the stock ones. The low on each one uses the same type of reflector cup but the change in size should effect the pattern aim.
I know running highs won't shorten the life, that's why I asked why beans thought it might.
Enough of this, my brain hurts.
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