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posted October 02, 2002 07:44 PM
A comment on the BT 010's...
Alrighty... one season almost wrapped up on the BT 010's... gotta say that they were pretty darn good tires..... they performed very nicely on the street... they endured some hard riding and some high speeds/temp changes etc etc... (sea level to lake tahoe... vancouver cold/rain to 120 deg redbluff stinkin hot) they did a trip to Laguna and back (from Canada) and also lots of side trips... Hard to give the 207's a nod since last season the same amount of riding ate up 4 sets of the things...
so next season looks like 010 again unless something else comes up... pretty much the same level of joy from the bike as with the 207's 'cept my wallet is 3 pairs of tires heavier.
my 2$ werth ... (and that's in cdn fuds so it's not much!)
   
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posted October 02, 2002 08:26 PM
So if I understand this post corectly..... a set of 010's lasted as long as 4 sets od 207's? Sounds to me that either a riding style change has occurred or the 010 is about as hard as a brick.
Not trying to stir the pot but 4 times as many miles is a lot of miles... Wow....
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posted October 03, 2002 02:27 AM
Oh get off it, Zhooligan. You absolutely can't stand to hear a bad word about those precious dunlops! 
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posted October 03, 2002 02:29 AM
Z, the difference between the 010s and the 207s is that the "middle" part of the tire is a different compound. Obviously, on the street, this is the most worn area on a street tire.
You can see the compound difference when carving twisties. The edges are much softer, almost as soft as the 207. My only complaint is they come unglued on painted traffic lines, but you get used to it.
For anyone running a stock motored, stock wheelbase bike I would highly recommend these tires. THey like alittle more air pressure than the 207s, but definitely makes the bike ride great!
I got 6500 miles out of my last rear tire. (and Im not easy on tires!)
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posted October 03, 2002 06:57 AM
good point turbo.... they dont handle road lines or tar snakes very well...but that's a pretty small complaint....
hey z---
Oh yes you are trying to stir the pot...
.. here.. let me stir right back..
you never even ride that thing.. you just clean it, so how would you know!?  ... perhaps I should buy you a paint pen fer christmas so that you can color in the "dunlop" on yer tires so you can REALLY pose! Hey... I forgot... yer from the land of starbucks! 
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posted October 03, 2002 07:44 AM
Fish WTF?? You went to Tahoe and didn't look me up?? That is 20 minutes from where I live. Ya dick!!
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posted October 03, 2002 07:51 AM
Just for the record, I just can't get myself to buy Bridgestones, I have seen many get offs from tires breaking traction and most of the time it was a Bridgestone. They may be better, but I sure as hell don't want to risk it. Oh yeah those Dunlop 207 are crap IMHO. Greasy, low milage, poor handling,etc. Did 3 sets and never again. Anyone tried the Pirellis??? I do like the Pilot sports although when they get near the end of their life the handling goes away fast.
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posted October 03, 2002 07:55 AM
Ted... I totally fergot that you were there... that sux since my bike having tech probs at the time and couldve used yer help... we rode in Hwy 4 (wicked road) stayed in some dive hotel on the Nevada side and split right in the AM... stopped at the radio shack to solder my chatterbox cord that came undone....
Hard to remember where everyone lives..
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posted October 03, 2002 08:08 AM
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
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posted October 03, 2002 08:59 AM
Hey Fish, unlike yourself I have more then one bike to ride. And I don't spend my time cruising the freeway on the center of the tire. And if you road on the edge of of your 010 you would not get four times the mileage.
And Swft since your decision to buy the 010 was based on them being cheaper then the Dunlop, and you use them for highway use, you and fish are right about them being good highway tires. Of course AVONs are great highway mileage tires as well! And I have noticed that you race on Dunlop tires.
I persoanlly am familiar and comfortable with the Dunlop and the it's handling characteristics. That said is there a better tire out there for someone else? Probably. But my post on this was driven by Fish's comment that the 010 went 4 times farther then the Dunlop and performed as well. Not possible. My summer of canyon racing is not the same as my summer that I road to the Grand Canyon.
And again it gets back to personal prefernce. And I have read all of the posts etc. I can only say that I have had zero issues with the Dunlops, I don't pay attention to the miles, nor the cost of the tire (even though I pay less for the Dunlop then most of you all pay for the 010) I also don't recall anyone running away from me in the twisties or on the freeway. And it is ironic how ZX12 owners wine about wearing the center of their tires out.
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posted October 03, 2002 09:15 AM
Z, my biggest problem with the Dunlops was they would get greasy when ridden hard through the twisties, especially the front.
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posted October 03, 2002 09:29 AM
I got 5000 miles out of my stock 208's and went to the 010's and loved the differences, dont get me started. I have 5000 miles on these 010's and there getting bare, but no metal showing yet. I'm sticking with them.
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posted October 03, 2002 09:34 AM
z... would you like a yellow or white paint pen?
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posted October 03, 2002 09:39 AM
Tire wear??? What tire wear?? I'm only on my 14th set of tires.
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posted October 03, 2002 10:01 AM
My bike had the 208's on them. I rather liked them (HATED the 207's on my Gixxer).
I only got 2600 miles out of 'em before it was time to replace. I live in Arkansas so I spent a lot of time on the side of the tire. And I ripped out of almost every corner.
Thing was, once they started to wear down they started to loose traction. I had the front end slide out once and the rear started to spin exiting corners. All on the same session. And I don't want to hear shit about my riding style because I've been on the 010's the same and haven't had the same problem.
Both the rear and the front showed wear bars when I replaced them, but they still had tread.
I was dubious of the 010's because I didn't think they'd be as sticky, and I'm not sure that they are still. You can see the difference in compounds. And I think that also lends to a change in the way the bike feels rolling it slowly over in a nice, fat sweeper. Really upset me at first, but I'm used to it now.
In short - I like them. I wouldn't push them as hard as I did the 208's - but my wallet thanks me profusely. Besides, pushing that hard on any tire is a bit too fast for the street. And I am not slow.
Almost 1k miles on 'em and they are wearing just fine, thank you.
Another thing is the front wants to lock just a little easier than the 208's.
My .02:
207 - Suck. Fookin' mush balls. There is better - even by Dunlop
208 - pretty nice, quick wear, grip dimished very quickly near end of tread life
Pilot Sports - excuse me while I wipe the jiz out of my pants  Another set ALREADY??!!
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posted October 03, 2002 12:10 PM
Ph.. I MUST add a side note to this... I am running a 190 rear... I noticed at Laguna that members who were running a 200 rear 010 had 2 distinct compounds visible.... This is NOT the case with the 190 .. .perhaps this makes the 190 stickier? who knows but I thought I should mention it... anyone else with 010's notice the 2 compunds on the rear and a seem? Anyone else running a 190 rear notice the lack of the seem?
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posted October 03, 2002 12:23 PM
...I like 010s...I get a decent 6000~7000 from the set...not all straight lines, either...easy on the throttle, no spinning, no wheelies or stoppies....an occassional sphincter-to-seat gripping little slide...always replace both...cheap, long-lasting, grippy enough for me...except when I engage in brain-fart induced low-sides...buy what you like and can afford...
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posted October 03, 2002 01:01 PM
I have 200 and there is a noticable strip in the middle.
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posted October 04, 2002 12:38 AM
i had the 190 010. no noticeable transition. i liked them just fine & was happy with the grip, tho there was a feel to the 207's i liked better. not quite sure what it was. i'm uncertian what to make of wear. all my 207s lasted 6500km (bout 4000miles), but that was to steel and that was always in teh middle with plenty left on the side. well, i gots 4500kms on the 010's and theyr pretty much gone. best i'd be able to squeeze out of em would be 500kms. and they'f toast halfway down the sides more than anything else. center still looks ago, tho its not got much left either. i dont like the grip on teh front tire at all tho. i'm not sure whether to be dissapointed with the wear on teh rear or not. i got less mileage out of this than my 207s, but i think i rode this tire considerably harder than any other tire, and more consistently hard too. i'd like to try the M1s next, but realistically as jon said, if i'm goin so fast that tire grip becomes an issue, i'm goin too fast anyway. so i may stick to the good price & wear of the 207s.
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posted October 04, 2002 04:28 AM
I have also noticed the slip of the 010's on paint stripes, but the 207's did the same thing, only worse in the rain.
My 200- 010 shows the compound stripe, and the softer side compound is worn down about the thickness of a $.25 cent coin greater than the center compound.
They are no longer a real inexpensive tire, seeing as how Chapparral has raised the prices on them.
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posted October 04, 2002 04:06 PM
a disclaimer re: freek getting 4000miles out of a 207.... no he did not... he literally rides his tires to the steel (showing).... (dont ask why... ) .... he infact gets far less mileage out of the 207s and simply doesnt replace them until his life is in utter peril due to the lack of rubber remaining. I am not kidding around about this so take his estimates with a ROCK or BOULDER of salt...
no offence freek but people have to know this as most riders do infact replace their tires well before you do...
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posted October 04, 2002 06:00 PM
I've gotta be excessively hard on the throttle,since I have never gotten more than 18-1900 miles out of a rear tire.No smoke-outs,and few wheelies.the stock Dunlop just vanished(and that was during break-in!)and I've been running 010's since.13500 miles showing,and on my 9th rear.
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posted October 04, 2002 07:41 PM
yeah fish, i said that was to the steels. read my post again. the 010's prolly got 1000 km left to the chords, 500 till the wear bars are well and truly worn. right know they'r just a touch above the wear bars. fact is, they have thus far worn faster than the 207's for me, but i definitely do not think its because they wear worse. i just ran the 010's that much harder. like i said, the center is still ok, it's farther down the sides where they'r really worn (a definite first for me). i got about 5500-6000 SAFE km out of the 207s. at 6500 they were GONE. seems they start wearing like a mofo when they'r almost toast.
any opinions on the m1 so far fish?
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posted October 04, 2002 10:08 PM
I have to admit I am confused. I don't know whether you all are talkin miles or km. And I guess what I really am saying is I am getting real close to post whore time!!!
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posted October 04, 2002 10:18 PM
...what's the conversion for kilometers-to-miles for us in the U.S.?
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