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posted March 22, 2009 08:45 PM
Still No fire
I jumped my bike off of a car to get it started. I did it with out issue. Rode around the block no issue. Killed the bike and it would not start. So I tried to start it one more time and now no fire! So I put a new battery in it and no fire. The starter turns fast and the fuel rail feels with fuel. But no fire. So I went through all fuses and connectors every thing was in order. I had a bike veteran take a look at it and he said "everything seems to be in order but it still will not fire." He suggest that the plugs could have gone and that would be the reason it will not fire. What do you guys think. It's a 2000 ZX12 A-1
  
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posted March 22, 2009 10:50 PM
do you have a pc3? if so check ground wire if it is ground to the frame that could be your problem. hope that helps
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posted March 23, 2009 05:22 AM
Did you check the big fuse thats in with the battery????
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posted March 23, 2009 06:07 PM
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I do have a PCIII it came with the bike and it was never connected. I got the bike salvage so I have no idea about it's past. The pcIII usb and Yosh pipe came in the deal .
I've been through all of the fuses and all of them seem to be ok. Even the one on the battery basket as well as the junction also on the moduels beside the junction box. All clear and connected. My more seasoned friend thinks the plugs are foweled but to me that seems to simple. I was also wondering would it show some sign of a spark even with foweled plugs? However he is a vet and I'm a newb so I was thinking of starting there. Seeing as though I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to the bike.
I was just wondering with very limited funds before I drop the cash on plugs (good investment anyway) Should I start there? Or do you guys have a suggestion?
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posted March 24, 2009 06:06 AM
Well at least pull one plug wire and see if you have spark at least....
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posted March 24, 2009 07:11 PM
there should be a gray wire leading off the key switch. if so, there is ONLY 6 V on this wire. if that wire breaks off or the 100 ohm resistor in the switch dies, you'll be left with no spark.. now, i'm not garunteeing that ont the 12 as i'm not familiar with it, but it IS a VERY common kawi move ( that gray wire and 6V feed) and i've noted several times where that was a problem on both my bike on on my customers machines.
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posted March 25, 2009 12:36 PM
once a 12 is fouled, its pretty much impossible to start unless you dry the plugs out. trust me, ive been there. what i suggest(easiest way) is to pull the outside plugs. the middle 2 are a bit more challenging for a beginner. with the key OFF and the throttle wide open. put 12v to the starter to spin the motor over. theres a place under the battery cover to get at the starter cable. spin the bike over for 10 sec, let the starter cool off for a min, repat a few times. let it sit for an hr or so. put plugs back in, try to start it like you normally do. it will probly run on 2 cylinders untill it warms up and clears out, then the middle 2 will start firing and it will run. that is if the only problem was that it was flooded.
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posted March 25, 2009 01:25 PM
Hey thanks! I will give it a shot! I really apprecieate the info!! this site rocks!
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posted March 25, 2009 03:59 PM
one thing that will make it way easier is the factory tool. that plug wrench pivots in the middle and works amazingly well compared to using a couple of short extensions, magnets, ect..... i wouldnt even attempt to pull the plugs without it now unless i had to (at the track or something) after doing it both ways.
yes this site rocks  im addicted lol
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted March 26, 2009 01:44 AM
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once a 12 is fouled, its pretty much impossible to start unless you dry the plugs out. trust me, ive been there. what i suggest(easiest way) is to pull the outside plugs. the middle 2 are a bit more challenging for a beginner. with the key OFF and the throttle wide open. put 12v to the starter to spin the motor over. theres a place under the battery cover to get at the starter cable. spin the bike over for 10 sec, let the starter cool off for a min, repat a few times. let it sit for an hr or so. put plugs back in, try to start it like you normally do. it will probly run on 2 cylinders untill it warms up and clears out, then the middle 2 will start firing and it will run. that is if the only problem was that it was flooded.
i would probably disconnect the sub harness plug to the fuel injectors, turn it over with key on, starter button, don't have to take off the the battery cover & still avoids putting more gas into the cylinders. The plug is very easy to access, just behind & below #1 TB.
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posted March 26, 2009 01:10 PM
Is it a big plug?
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posted March 26, 2009 06:14 PM
kinda big, it has enough wires for 4 injectors
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted March 26, 2009 09:16 PM
Sorry that I'm such a newb but do you have a pic of the plug and it's location. I have to admit that I have idea of what I'm doing I'm not mechanically inclined. But I'm learning! Thanks in advance!
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posted March 26, 2009 10:05 PM
#1 throttle body is the very left one on the bike when sitting on it. its kinda below and behind it. you will see a black plug in on tps. thats not it (on the side of the TB). look in further, you will see the coolant temp sensor screwed into the head, that not it either, but really close. dont go above the TB or you will get the map sensor(grey) look for wires going to the fuel injectors, they are the ones you want to unplug(all at once). very close to the temp sensor
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted March 27, 2009 07:29 PM
cool I will give this a shot tomorrow ( weather permitting) I will let you know how things go. I want to check to see if I 'm getting fire at all by pulling a plug and seeing what happens but at this point I do not have a plug wrench that will fit. Life would be easier if I had a plug wrench that would fit LOL! I'm going to look for the factory kit on Ebay !
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posted April 01, 2009 04:58 PM
I let it set and I cleaned the air filters and "IT'S ALIVE!!!!" It was the plugs. So I'm sending her over tomarrow for new plugs getting the PCIII connected!!
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posted April 01, 2009 06:53 PM
congrats on the fix!!
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posted April 01, 2009 08:55 PM
how long did it sit?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 01, 2009 09:41 PM
It set for four days! Man it seems that was the longest time of my life! LOL! I'm just glad my ride season isn't shot! I had no clue how my wife was going to put up with me. LOL!
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posted April 02, 2009 05:08 PM
first i tried an hr, then 2, then over night, then pulled the plugs. im impatient
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted April 02, 2009 11:53 PM
I ran it this morning and after she got to temp she ran like a champ. However I still took her to my bike mechanic for new plugs. He had already ordered them in. So I said hey a change of plugs can only help!!
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posted April 03, 2009 08:36 PM
Just got it back with new plugs. I wish I had photo technology here! The old plugs had rust on the bolt area. I would say that the guy that had this motor off of this bike and had it setting outside in the rain! The old platinum plugs are black as ever. Thank God I changed them when I did!!! I went with the Iridium plugs this time around.
The air filters was soaked where he put way to much oil on them. So I did a filter clean and recharge. I cannot believe the difference in performance! My next thing will be the PCIII as soon as I get the CD Rom for it.
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posted April 03, 2009 09:22 PM
the over oiled filters would cause a rich running condition, further shortening the life of your plugs (carbon build up) and make it harder to start
you got the link i see in the other thread. no need for a cd
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted April 04, 2009 12:58 PM
I will check into why it won't load. It keeps trying to go to Winzip but it won't load. I will work on it.
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posted April 04, 2009 11:02 PM
I got a closer look at the site and I found what I need. Everything is in the Laptop I've got a cord. So now all I have to do is load it to the PCIII usb!
You are the man!! thanks!
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