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posted September 03, 2002 12:24 PM
BMC filters
looking to get a set of BMC filters.... How much did you pay and from where...Please post a link and or Phone number.... I dont wanna pay alot for this muffler....
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posted September 03, 2002 05:41 PM
 Edited By: moodybluezx12r on 3 Sep 2002 19:22
in the process of maybe ordering the bmc filters from www.racerdiscount.com. they only want $85 for the race and $75 for the street (shipping included to continental us only). which brings me to this ?, which would be the better filter for a 2002 zx12r the race or street? and does anyone know the difference between the two?
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posted September 03, 2002 06:02 PM
I spoke to them for several months (Trying to get them before Daytona 2001) During this and after I asked thi very question and never got an understanding better than "The Street are for the Street and clean the air better than the race that are for race and do not clean the air as well! You will need to add some fuel for the Race, but none for the Street"! My understanding was you should make more HP with the race, but by letting more dirt in on the plated bores, "WILL" Wear them out sooner"!!
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posted September 03, 2002 06:32 PM
Edited By: moodybluezx12r on 4 Sep 2002 13:54
guess i will be getting the street version...has anyone here ever ordered anything from racerdiscount.com? if so, how long does it take to get your merchandise?
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posted September 04, 2002 01:49 AM
blaise cycle stocks them.3day delivery,but last i heard they were about $95.
i bought them,race,and have had not one thing get by my filters.the race are tight but not glued like kn's.they pull right up.exc.quality,and a supposivly
couple h.p gain.6 month's in & still look good as new.the race version with my 02 are better than the kn filters alone.
blaise cycle:305-654-8114.ashley.
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posted September 04, 2002 04:08 AM
thanks for info... I will be contacting Racerdiscount about these and also do a search for BMC and see if i can beat that price... Cant help i'm cheap...
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posted September 04, 2002 06:51 AM
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blaise cycle stocks them.3day delivery,but last i heard they were about $95.
i bought them,race,and have had not one thing get by my filters.the race are tight but not glued like kn's.they pull right up.exc.quality,and a supposivly
couple h.p gain.6 month's in & still look good as new.the race version with my 02 are better than the kn filters alone.
blaise cycle:305-654-8114.ashley.
"That you can SEE"! gets past the filters!
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posted September 04, 2002 07:08 AM
Vincent.... going by what i read i will be going for street... i do mostly sport touring with a few runs at the local 1/8 mile track...
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posted September 04, 2002 09:37 AM
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Vincent.... going by what i read i will be going for street... i do mostly sport touring with a few runs at the local 1/8 mile track...
I have a set of K&N's and "Always" Wanted the BMC Street Filters! Now that I have the K&N Filter (for the street), I plan to buy a race set and check out the difference between them and use them only for Maxton and Drag Strip (When Ever I do that!) I wish I could have waited and bought both sets! I would not do anything different than you are planning!
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posted September 04, 2002 03:18 PM
BMC Race Filters
I installed the BMC Race Filters 3 months ago, and haven't looked back. They cost more then the street filters, but are less restrictive, and according to BMC do just as good a job as the stock filters, my 2$ worth....
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Vincent.... going by what i read i will be going for street... i do mostly sport touring with a few runs at the local 1/8 mile track...
I have a set of K&N's and "Always" Wanted the BMC Street Filters! Now that I have the K&N Filter (for the street), I plan to buy a race set and check out the difference between them and use them only for Maxton and Drag Strip (When Ever I do that!) I wish I could have waited and bought both sets! I would not do anything different than you are planning!
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posted September 04, 2002 03:45 PM
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I installed the BMC Race Filters 3 months ago, and haven't looked back. They cost more then the street filters, but are less restrictive, and according to BMC do just as good a job as the stock filters, my 2$ worth....
There are only a few that speak English, who did you speak to? I am going back to dig up the name of the person in their engineering departmet I spoke to and try to transfer the post! They really did not seem "Comfortable" with the idea of using them on the street! Remember in the old days we had steel lined Bores that were about 1/4" thick! If you had a "Problem", you either Bored it .010 or .020 over and Kept going! The plating in you cylinders is now measured in Microns (less than 1 thousands of an inch thick "My understanding) Even if it was plated .002 or .003 thick, a small grit of dirt is that thick! Understand the risks then proceed!!
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Vincent.... going by what i read i will be going for street... i do mostly sport touring with a few runs at the local 1/8 mile track...
I have a set of K&N's and "Always" Wanted the BMC Street Filters! Now that I have the K&N Filter (for the street), I plan to buy a race set and check out the difference between them and use them only for Maxton and Drag Strip (When Ever I do that!) I wish I could have waited and bought both sets! I would not do anything different than you are planning!
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posted September 04, 2002 03:48 PM
What I really want to know is the filtering ability of the Race Filter, vs the Street! Then we "ALL" can make a decision with something to compare with!
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posted September 04, 2002 05:21 PM
amen!
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posted September 04, 2002 06:13 PM
Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 4 Sep 2002 19:19
The BMC race filters filter out all the grit that the factory filters let thru.
I live at the end of a 1/2 mile dirt road. So my bike gets 1 mile of dirt road EVERY time its taken out. With that said... I saw a huge improvement in filtering with the BMC "RACE" filters over the stock ones.
The stockers dont retain oil like the cotton does. So the stockers need to be cleaned and oiled often to keep the fine grit out of the airbox.
When I tested the stock filters on the flow bench 2 years ago I found that removing the screens gave huge flow improvements. Also that as the test pressure was increased the flow numbers were lower than they should be.
This is NOT normal to see when testing a port on the flow bench. Port flow at different test pressures can be directly converted to any presure with 99.9% accuracy using a formula. But because the crush of the foam agenst the screen flattened the cells of the "open cell" foam, the flow conversion from 10" of test pressure to 28" didnt jive. I checked it 3 times before scratching my head and coming up with a reason and correction factor.
The correction factor was not linier either. It too had a curve.
The bottom line was that Kawi wanted a secure barrier at the cost of flow and HP. It wasnt however a good filtering filter either.
Bottom line? Get the BMC race.
Your still better than stock in flow AND filtering.
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posted September 05, 2002 02:20 PM
I "Love" what you said y2k, Still it will not hurt to see what Particle size the 2 filters are "Supposed" to filter out! AND I plan to check K&N Also! Then we have "Data" / Cold hard facts!! then with what we already Know (They flow better and make a little more HP!!) then we can make a decision and live (Engine live) with it also!!
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posted September 06, 2002 06:38 PM
Wrote the 2 address (Engineering and Customer service) and asked the question of what size particle protection can we expect from the race and the street Filter! Will let you know when I receive an answer!
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posted September 06, 2002 07:13 PM
Sounds good vincent. It'd be interesting to see what propaganda the different makers will present.
Its funny to see the marketing that goes into some products packaging.
Like "as seen on tv". I love the million mile thing with K&N. I doubt I'll put a million miles on all the bikes I'll ever own let alone wear out thier damn air filter.
Makes me laugh thou.
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posted September 06, 2002 09:02 PM
It's not wearing out part that is impressive, its the million miles between cleanings. I don't reccomend the million miles but I can tell you that the K&N's performance is phenomenol regarding its ability to flow air and filter dirt. I have had K&N's on every motorcycle, car and truck I have had for 25 years. I can not complain except for the 12. The filtration is fine the removal of the filters is ignorance at it's finest.
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posted September 07, 2002 05:28 AM
Actually you need to clean and reoil them a few times a year. or at least once a year.
That million mile statement isnt the cleaning interval. I have a K&N on my 94 Z28 and its located in the fenderwell because I replaced the entire factory induction setup. But living on a dirt road really clogs the filter up. I clean it once a year or about every 10,000 miles. After a cleaning and re-oil its very noticeable in the Z-28 that its getting more air again.
Of course the Z will add fuel as required and keep the A/F ratio optimized at all times. Watch the new cbr1200, its got new fuel injection and the other comapanies are going to follow suit. Flat slide fuel injection is closer than you think!!!!!
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posted September 07, 2002 06:02 AM
How do you oil them?
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posted September 07, 2002 10:17 AM
lives at the end of a 1/2 mile dirt road, plays with testing equipment all the time, and gets all the advance news in car & bike r&d. hey y2k, ya wanna trade lives? 
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posted September 07, 2002 11:48 AM
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Sounds good vincent. It'd be interesting to see what propaganda the different makers will present.
Its funny to see the marketing that goes into some products packaging.
Like "as seen on tv". I love the million mile thing with K&N. I doubt I'll put a million miles on all the bikes I'll ever own let alone wear out thier damn air filter.
Makes me laugh thou.
I am "only Checking" BMC!! Street VS Race! NO K&N Because everyone says they stopped making them for ZX12R's
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posted September 07, 2002 04:24 PM
Edited By: Y2KZX12R on 7 Sep 2002 17:26
Didnt some post say that they were available again?
Freek, I dont get laid as often as I'd like.
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posted September 08, 2002 12:04 AM
dont hold yer breath on that one y2k 
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posted September 16, 2002 12:44 PM
I have not heard from BMC "YET"!!, But the BMC "Sport" (Race) filters arrived! Much better nade than the old K&N Filters! I also see the "Difference" Between street and Race!! I can see daylight through the "Race" Filters! Never saw Daylight through a street filter! After seeing what I see, I plan to install them and ride around for a while (Read suck the extra oil out of them) and then go to Maxton! I will be reinstalling the K&N's After Maxton! I amy also shave the sides of the K&N's Also!! If I had to get one set of Filters I would still have BMC Street!
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