ddpete3
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posted August 23, 2002 05:45 AM
Well that sucks. It was going to be the first thing I did to my bike to make it non-stock.
   
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RobMuzzy
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posted August 23, 2002 11:56 AM
To all- I would like to clarify our policy. We feel that our Dealers are very important to us and to you the end user. They provide knowledge and customer service in the consumers local area. MUZZYS sells customer direct to take care of its customers who do not have a Dealer in there local area. We are not in competition with our dealers. Therefore we do not undercut our dealers pricing. We do not control the price that dealers sell our products for. I would encourage any customer to contact his local MUZZY Dealer for best price and service.
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VincentHill
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posted August 23, 2002 12:38 PM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 23 Aug 2002 13:43
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Okay,
Seems there has is a problem currently. Jason has NOT left a stone "unturned" and have caught the eyes of WAY TO MANY dealers for Muzzy products. I was in contact with Muzzy today and Yes there were prices giving for 10-15 units and 20 units. BUT!, Muzzy later called back and we started discussing this and we are awaiting word from them after Rob decides what to do about this. See Muzzy has a obligation to its dealers and distributors NOT undercut or allow the same to be done without upsetting some or all. It may be that this deal may NOT go through simply because to many stones were turned "upside" and now the problem seems to be who gets the contract, so to speak. Muzzy is not going to undercut the dealer network or upset ANY of the dealers or distributors. It would have worked if a single call or a few calls were have been made instead of many and many and that dealer(ADVERTISER) could have worked the deal quietly. Muzzy was fully aware of why and what I was asking about.I have seen this topic posted on other boards on the internet as well.
Time will tell, it is a wait and see what Rob decides. Maybe in the future just a few calls should be made and worked through one person or company.
Believe me, you have had WAY to MANY companys calling MUzzy asking about the same deal.
Doug
I think most of us have done business with Doug and some with Muzzy! I think we all know that they are "Straight" Shooters! It looks to me like we need to let this cool down and came back later! (But learn from the experience)! Now that we are "Experienced", it looks like someone should have approached just one dealer and asked the "What If" question! Then approached us with the deal and then it would have been possible! Now, anyone that touches it will piss off every other dealer and this could cost them in the long run! Muzzy is a business man that likes Gears and motors instead of what ever Business men usually like! Knowing what he now knows then doing anything with one dealer would also piss off the other dealers!
Mr. Muzzy and others, I do have a suggestion Mr. Muzzy, You put your Dampener on sale! Mark it down 10, 15 20% what ever you feel like doing. This would allow everyone to buy from any dealer they wanted to or had a relationship with at the exact same price you would sell it for to the public! They would all make the exact same mark-up and no one would get any business they would not normally receive! Even at $50.00 off, everyone would be better off than list and near the price of other dampeners that look less attractive mounted up! Since this is money directly out of Mr. Muzzy's pocket, no one should be surprised if he is just not head over heals thrilled with the Idea! The "Only" Reason I mentioned this idea, is that I see on his on page from time to time, slow moving items, or items he plans to stop selling with a reduced price!
If we end up with nothing, I personally want to thank Jason for the time he spent! The beginning reason may have been selfish (To get a dampener cheaply), but in the end, we all learned a little something about supply & Demand! (Do not Demand to much from too many supply houses because in the end, everyone will demand to make the same profit)
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DaveInDaytona
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posted August 23, 2002 05:17 PM
As much as I respect and thank Jason for doing his best to strike the deal you also have to too give respect to Mr. Muzzy for sticking to his policy and protecting his dealer network. Some product manufacturers wouldn't be as generous to turn down a deal for them to make money directly from the customer. Sucks for the people interested in grouping together but speaks loudly of a company with good business ethics that's more concerned with protecting their reputation over their cash register. That's getting to be more and more rare and is one of the reasons I like doing business with Muzzys.
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jason370
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posted August 23, 2002 10:24 PM
Edited By: jason370 on 24 Aug 2002 17:46
i agree with dave and i do respect muzzy for sticking to their guns. but this policy sorta takes away our leverage as consumers to compare prices. this system only lets us call one dealer, and take it or leave it. i do not want to beat anyone out of anything nor did i ever want to pit dealers against one another.
i only wanted and still want the best deal for everyone. i dont think its possible to actually find out what the best deal is without stepping on someones toes. muzzys told me to talk to a dealer, and then restated it here. so whats wrong with talking to 2, or 3? is there one universal price that cannot be changed, or negotiated? if that were the case then it would be very easy to pick ANY dealer and buy the dampener.
who buys a car this way? do you walk in and ask a salesman what his price is, and then simply agree to that price? hell no, you try to get a better price. i buy my food in the store that has the best prices, dont you?
in no way am i saying that the dealers that i spoke with seem unfair. they are stand up gentlemen that are very fair and respectable in my opinion. i am trying my best to find an equitable solution to this problem. we still all want dampeners, i think. and there will still be dampeners to be sold, i think. so it comes down to who to buy from and what the price is. i do not think that we should simply walk away, that makes no sense.
perhaps we can put it to a vote??? you know, try some democracy...afterall it is america, isnt it? vote seems very fair to me. i'll see if i can intelligently put together the information and then perhaps we can vote on if we should vote, or if you'd prefer to leave the final decision to me.
ok im tired,
nitey nite
jason
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VincentHill
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posted August 24, 2002 01:20 PM
First thing I ever found out about Motorcycles is!! They are completely different from Cars! Bikes, Everyone knows everyone! Cars, no one cares there are so many of them! Everyone has a car! Apartment Renters, Home Owners, Trailers livers, People in the military, People that live on a boat! It makes no difference! Very few people own Bikes and the competition for your Dollar is Fierce!!
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jason370
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posted August 24, 2002 05:19 PM
Edited By: jason370 on 24 Aug 2002 18:22
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redelk wrote:
Got the Muzzy in May '01. Took all of 45 minutes to install (including several smoke breaks). All you have to remove is your windscreen. Minimal tools, straight forward installation and the brackets/hardware seem like they were molded specifically for my 12R. Not that I'm afraid of drilling holes in my bike. I had to drill almost a 1/2" hole in my 7R frame for the M Toby damper.
Both the Scotts and Muzzy dampers are nice, are quaility products and will perform well. After 18K+ miles and given the choice to do it all over again, I'd still get the Muzzy and I would still be as happy with it. IMHO, it's just a matter of personal preference.
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GreenGlenn
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posted August 24, 2002 05:53 PM
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who buys a car this way? do you walk in and ask a salesman what his price is, and then simply agree to that price? hell no, you try to get a better price. i buy my food in the store that has the best prices, dont you?
in no way am i saying that the dealers that i spoke with seem unfair. they are stand up gentlemen that are very fair and respectable in my opinion.
No one. But when they go to buy a car, they are looking to buy ONE car, not 50. You still can and should call around as much as you like to find your best deal for YOU. They just cant do "double secret group discounts" for large volumes of stuff.
At least thats the impression I get from all of the above...
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jason370
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posted August 25, 2002 01:23 AM
who asked for double secret? certainly not i. i see nothing wrong with shopping around.
jason
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VincentHill
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posted August 25, 2002 06:10 AM
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who asked for double secret? certainly not i. i see nothing wrong with shopping around.
jason
Jason, My thought is that for Bikes (The way it is, and nothing to do with how it should be! Remember, I got the Bear Velocity Stacks stacks for us at $150.00! I went to the maker Bear and Bear only to get the deal) is that first go to one trusted source (and no one else) and find out what they can do! Then present this to everyone without revealing the "Source"! In the case of Bear, he is no where as big as Muzzy and did not have a dealer network here! Now that he does, I could not do this the same way, But I could now be considered a Dealer if I wanted to do Volume Business
Again I Personally thank you for what you tried to do and I think if the truth be known, Muzzy might even be a little proud of the fact that he has a product that so many people are willing to go through so much to get it at a more affordable price! My Hope is that he could drop list to $499.95 so we could at least feel that we got it for "Under" $500.00! Me for one would prefer his unit, but may end up getting the Scotts as the only other clean installation!
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jason370
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posted August 25, 2002 12:06 PM
Edited By: jason370 on 27 Aug 2002 00:43
ok anyone interested in the muzzys steering dampener at a discounted price that hasnt emailed me yet, EMAIL ME ASAP. regardless of what anyone on this site has to say about my methods, this deal is going through. so if you want one, this would be the time to let me know. they wont be available for another week or two so if you need a couple of weeks to get the money you will have it. but i do need to know who is probably gonna be in. i will nto be posting prices on this site. email me to find out
please do me a favor and INCLUDE YOUR BOARD MEMBER SCREEN NAME IN YOUR EMAIL TO ME SO I ACTUALLY KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND I CAN HAVE AN EXACT TALLY ON WHO IS IN ON THIS DEAL.
jason370@hotmail.com
jason
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