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posted August 21, 2002 01:38 PM
 Edited By: jason370 on 22 Aug 2002 05:17
group buy ideas (continued) muzzys steering dampener
help me out here,
going on the estimation that most dealers are working on a markup around 35% or so, i figure that the cost to dealer for one muzzys steering dampener to be in the range of 385.00 - 415.00. so if i were to buy one at a cost of 575.00, the dealer would make 175 bucks (approx).
if we buy ten at 450.00 the dealer should make around 500.00 or so. if we buy NOTHING, because the greedy bastards want to bleed us dry, then they make ZERO, and we lose too. i have no firm prices yet, but this seems to be reasonablish in my opinion. anyone agree or disagree?
fish and freek, worry not. no deals have been struck and when they are i shall direct all parties to the other forum. still taking indications of interest.
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posted August 21, 2002 08:11 PM
You are wrong AND WAY OFF THE MARK. Dealer cost is NOT that low and the mark up is not that much.
How MANY people are REALLY intetrested in this deal? Maybe We can work something out.
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posted August 21, 2002 08:11 PM
You are wrong AND WAY OFF THE MARK. Dealer cost is NOT that low and the mark up is not that much.
How MANY people are REALLY intetrested in this deal? Maybe We can work something out.
Doug
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posted August 21, 2002 08:44 PM
well doug,
i respect the fact that you are a straight shooter, so i take you at your word. perhaps some dealers get better deals than others. i dont know, but i can tell you that i didnt get those numbers from thin air either and i have a very reasonable basis on which i came up with them.
I currently have 10 people that have committed to this deal if or when it comes through. if we could actually get a realistic quote on the price that is reasonable, i suspect that at least 5 more would come out of the woodworks, possibly 7-10 more. as i stated last week, my ultimate goal was to work this deal through a board sponsor, i like to keep it in the family and im sure the other board members would feel the same.
Due to the fact that not a single board sponsor responded to this thread, i felt it necessary to look elsewhere toward non bord retailers. currently i am shopping around for the best deal for everyone, myself included. again, my preference is and has always been that a board sponsor would step up and put the best deal on the table, i certainly hope it is you. feel free to email me if you'd like to discuss the matter , i'm open to whatever you would have to say, we all are.
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posted August 21, 2002 08:54 PM
I will check in the morning as to what we can do. I will post back tommorrow. and shoot you a email. We can see what we can do to maybe get this deal to go through. Muzzy does not allow a lot of profit on that piece for dealers.
I was not aware of this posttill just tonight. You should have giving us a call,in any case I will seee what can be done.
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posted August 21, 2002 10:01 PM
Does the steering dampener just bolt on, no cutting required? If so I would be interested in this also. Let me know.
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posted August 22, 2002 12:06 AM
worm~hole's interested in NOT drillin' any holes...i'm into the muzzys if the price is right...count me in
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posted August 22, 2002 03:57 AM
Edited By: jason370 on 22 Aug 2002 10:20
beansy and wormhole and anyome else,
no drilling, no cutting, just a nice clean easy to do install. the mounting system is the best out ther and that is why its a little pricey. me no likey cutting and drilling either, and thats why this thread is a running. good job guys and thanks again doug for showing interest when we need you. anyone else interested, please state so . you needent sign in blood................yet. the better idea we have of the number of people interested the faster and more accurate a price quote we can get.
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posted August 22, 2002 10:42 AM
I could be interested. depends on the price.
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posted August 22, 2002 12:18 PM
Edited By: moonzx12 on 22 Aug 2002 13:19
i'm interrested! whats the price
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posted August 22, 2002 12:30 PM
waiting on the price brah,
looks like around 100 off the regular price, maybe better. anyone interested should email me directly at jason370@hotmail.com so that i can better discuss the details with you and it will also allow me to compile a list of interested parties.
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posted August 22, 2002 12:37 PM
...I already know all of the specifics on the muzzy steering stabilizer...I just wanna know how much we can get the price down to...not expecting them to give it away...don't wanna pay thru my nose, either....
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posted August 22, 2002 12:42 PM
like i said worm,
currently one dealer is offering approx. 100 off the regular price. I think doug from spencercycle (not advertising, cause he is a board sponsor) is gonna beat that number by a lot, he said that he should have some numbers by today. when i get, you get em.
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posted August 22, 2002 01:17 PM
...good work, jason...c'mon all you wanna-haves!!!...lets get this thing shakin' (bad pun) and do this... 
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posted August 22, 2002 04:33 PM
2002 Models????
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posted August 22, 2002 04:43 PM
Jason, On Labusas, I never saw "What / Who's" Damper you were looking at! Muzzy is the "Only" one I would be interested in! I think you are going to be in my price range! Let me know!
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posted August 22, 2002 04:55 PM
Edited By: jason370 on 22 Aug 2002 18:15
yes madzx12 i am lookign at 2002 models, but i dont think it would be a problem if anyone wanted a 00 or 01 model.
Vincenthill, the muzzys is the only one i am talking about and i too am only interested in the muzzys steering dampener. i think it is the best product out there as well as the easiest mount with no cutting or drilling whatsoever. ill add you to the list of potential buyers.
again please,
anyone that may be interested in a signifigant discount on a muzzys steering dampener, email me at JASON370@HOTMAIL.COM
this is not a full commitment, but rather an indication of interest with wich i can judge how many people might be involved here. this information will help me to negotiate a price with a dealer and will speed the process. you have nothing to lose if you are interested.
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posted August 22, 2002 05:02 PM
myself and the wormhole have 00's
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posted August 22, 2002 05:12 PM
i dont see having an 00 or 01 as being a problem. we will order whatever it is that we need to order, all models shall be included in this deal at the same price, whatever that price may be.
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posted August 22, 2002 08:13 PM
Okay,
Seems there has is a problem currently. Jason has NOT left a stone "unturned" and have caught the eyes of WAY TO MANY dealers for Muzzy products. I was in contact with Muzzy today and Yes there were prices giving for 10-15 units and 20 units. BUT!, Muzzy later called back and we started discussing this and we are awaiting word from them after Rob decides what to do about this. See Muzzy has a obligation to its dealers and distributors NOT undercut or allow the same to be done without upsetting some or all. It may be that this deal may NOT go through simply because to many stones were turned "upside" and now the problem seems to be who gets the contract, so to speak. Muzzy is not going to undercut the dealer network or upset ANY of the dealers or distributors. It would have worked if a single call or a few calls were have been made instead of many and many and that dealer(ADVERTISER) could have worked the deal quietly. Muzzy was fully aware of why and what I was asking about.I have seen this topic posted on other boards on the internet as well.
Time will tell, it is a wait and see what Rob decides. Maybe in the future just a few calls should be made and worked through one person or company.
Believe me, you have had WAY to MANY companys calling MUzzy asking about the same deal.
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posted August 22, 2002 09:44 PM
Edited By: jason370 on 23 Aug 2002 00:05
good lord,
1st thing i did was call muzzys, they told me "you gotta go through our dealers cause we cant undercut them". so naturally i call a dealer and the dealer says "give me some time to work on it". so in that time i called another dealer so i could compare prices and see if i could get the best price for the board. DOES THIS SEEM OUTRAGEOUS TO ANYONE????
this is AMERICA for gods sake. the very reason that prices are not even more astronomical then they already are is because we as consumers can shop around to find the best price!! i was pleasant with every dealer and informed them that i needed to compare prices so that when i finally came back to you guys, i could say that i shopped around and THIS IS the best price that i could find.
I called TWO dealers, I REPEAT....TWO WHOLE DEALERS. I must have called fifteen dealers when i was in the process of trying to trade in my zx11 in the hopes of getting the best deal for my current zx12. The way it usually works as far as i can tell, is that a dealer gets his products at a certain price (wholesale), he then marks up the item(s) so he can turn a profit (this is called retail). then the american way kicks in and the consumer (WE) have the opportunity to negotiate the price, hopefully somewhere in the middle of those two prices. it's been my experience that different dealers have different profit margins that they insist on, and others are willing to take less profit. i guess that stuff isnt applicable here, but that is how most things work, isnt it?
i merely followed this common sense logic in this case and suddenly i have created a riot.
i'm not sure what the correct thing to do is.....should i call just one dealer and simply accept the price he gives me???
that would be fine if my brother was a dealer. but im looking for the best price for a large group of people that i don't even know all that well. maybe i was the wrong guy to head up this task, but i was the only one and there does seem to be a a good amount of interest.
my apologies....sincerely. my only gain in this process was to try and get the same discount for myself as i was trying for everyone else. i've been working pretty hard at this to make it happen. i was not aware that different rules applied in this one situation. i hope the deal isnt blown, i really did try my best and i dont really see why this deal shouldnt happen.
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posted August 22, 2002 11:48 PM
I really want one for my 02 but money is tight, keep us posted.
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posted August 23, 2002 12:00 AM
No drilling, minutes to install and it's so easy to buy!!
Let see, there is a very small goup of people that own ZX12's, and even smaller group (about 1% of the people who own 12's) that will buy dampners. And Effectively in one swoop Muzzy's could sell all of the dampners that are likely to be sold / bought for less then they normally would. Because in effect the dealer that makes the group sell is looking for a discount from Muzzy's.
For discussion sakes, the group price listed turns out to be $50 less then full retail. Based on 20 people buying. Only 10 actually cough up the cash. Now the next problem, the group price is void, but everyone now knows what the discounted price was and hence that is what Muzzy's dealers will be expected to sell it for from this point on!! Or they are money grubbing capitalists!
Something that I have learned in life about retail, once you give the special good guy deal, the special deal is not a secret and it becomes the norm. This works if you are selling items that are manufactured and sold by the thousands, doesn't usually work out well on low volume items. Unless of course you have a shelf of them setting around and need to get rid of them.
It will be interesting to see how Muzzy handles this. My suggestion would be to choose a less exclusive item to beat on suppliers for a lower price. The reason Dunlop, Michelin, Pirelli and Bridgestone give competitve pricing and volume discounts is because their product is manufactured by the thousands and they have very direct and keen competition with each other. Therefore they have to compete. I would be suprised if Muzzy has sold a hundred of their dampners. That is not a slam on Muzzy, just reality. After the dampner discount will they then have to discount exhausts? Where does it stop?
Just my thoughts!
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posted August 23, 2002 12:49 AM
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posted August 23, 2002 01:42 AM
When I can.
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