CharlieTuna
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posted August 12, 2002 05:52 PM
Need some ideas on future group buys!
I have been in cantact with a few parts dealers. They have expressed interest in wanting to help out people via group buys. The question that has come up is:
What is everyone interested in for possible future group buys?
Since group buys can be difficult and no small amount of work organizing, people want to know that the effort will be worth it. Answering this question is the first step.
Please post your answers here and we'll see what can be worked out.
  
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eddynasty
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posted August 12, 2002 05:58 PM
Hey Charlie..Full exhaust.
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frEEk
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posted August 12, 2002 07:40 PM
BIKES! 
just as an pre-emtive [sp] strike to keep things calm later, may i take this very appropriate opportunity to mention that any actual group buy posts should go in the appropriate forum when they come to bear. this post is fine where it is i think, just when people actually start signing up. sorry if i sound like an ass, just rather b called a bit anal now than a total asshole later 
carry on.
oo, and V1s. since they never go on sale & there is zero competition, wonder if they would b willing to give a discount fer a group buy? i'll bet not tho 
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jason370
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posted August 12, 2002 08:28 PM
 Edited By: jason370 on 20 Aug 2002 20:55
1)MUZZYS STEERING DAMPNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
579.00 to buy just one
2)CORBIN SEAT
250.00
group discount would be sweeeeeet.
3)BRIDGESTONES 010(r)200/50zr17 and 011(f)120/70zr17\
4)FRONT AND REAR STANDS, pitbull, lp, kaw. who cares.
5)chatterbox, the 5 mile one
we all want em, and if we dont, then we just dont know it yet.
count me in.
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jason370
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posted August 12, 2002 08:33 PM
btw freek,
i think allowing a shopping list is a good idea here, i dont see it as advertising since nobody has any personal gain other than to get some good ideas of what they need(even if they dont know it yet). i agree that if and when an actual signup happens that should be taken to the other post area. this thread can easily be viewed as a "best of" thread and then can be moved when the time comes. allowing it to continue as such will keep the likes of myself and other neophytes from posting "what is the best blah blah blah"\
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jason370
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posted August 12, 2002 09:14 PM
muzzys.....muzzys.....muzys....steering dampener...you know you want one. you dont want to have a random tankslapper and destroy your bike when you could have made a minor investment and never had it happen in the first place, do you?
what is piece of mind really worth? 579.00....i think so. group discount might be a hella lot less.
personally, i am terrified of the idea of a tankslapper in the mountains at 100+mph. i'm taking the plunge, wont you join me?
jason
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posted August 13, 2002 04:45 AM
Gotta admit, even though I have never had even a hint of instability, I'm drooling over the Muzzy dampener.
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posted August 13, 2002 06:27 AM
Ohlins rear shock!!
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fish_antlers
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posted August 13, 2002 06:56 AM
I agree Jason.... however just so everyone knows, when the group things happen we'd like them to take place in the pay-per-post forum.... How bout wave rotors?
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redelk
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posted August 13, 2002 07:17 AM
It seems like "consumables" wouls be best and easiest. Tires, brake pads and soon on. Followed by "high ticket items" like wave rotors and dampers.
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jason370
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posted August 13, 2002 09:41 AM
here's why the high ticket items (muzzys steering dampener) should be a priority:
we all need tires and brake pads and will not go one day without such items. the high end stuff are luxuries, not necessities and because of this they end up never being bought (or at least pushed aside until the money situation is right). if i kill myself in due to a tankslapper because i put off buying a dampener because i am cheap, then that is a real tragedy. But if i had a group discount, i'd find the money yesterday.
so to sum up, we all should buy steering dampeners as a group. after careful research i think muzzys is teh obvious choice, but i'd go with the majority vote.
any takers?
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jason370
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posted August 13, 2002 06:00 PM
hmm
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zx12rpilot
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posted August 13, 2002 06:04 PM
Add one more, never any instabilty on '02 but steering dampener sure sounds like cheap insurance. Oh yea, never been above 155 yet, maybe later...
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jason370
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posted August 13, 2002 09:08 PM
you getting all this tuna??
hows it looking?
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ddpete3
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posted August 13, 2002 09:34 PM
What's the steering dampener do exactly?
I just ride, don't ask me anything about my bike.
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ZHooligan
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posted August 13, 2002 09:51 PM
Probably more in the realm of what people will spend and actually need would be braided stainless steel brake lines, double bubble windscreens, oil filters, a good synthetic oil (red line preferably!) Power Commanders, brake pads (EBC, Performance Friction, Galfer or brembo), and tires. I know group buys can be worked out on Ohlins rear shocks. The SV 650 club guys got a deal early in the year for $650 for a rear shock. No this does not mean we will pay 1200 for ours!! A group deal on heli bars or one of the other adjustable bar set-ups from Two brothers or Spencer I believe.
Certainly a number of the items listed above some or a number of guys may have. But new guys don't. And some of the guys looking for a deal don't either.
To that list good chains and sprockets. Set a number we need to hit for a deal and let us run with it.
Personally I have pretty much everything you can throw on a 12 or put inside of it already. So I would be even more interested in a wave rotor for the rear (not made yet), a carbon fiber subframe (not made that I know of) A single sided swing arm (can't find one anymore, a real underseat high performance Ti exhaust (not made yet), A muzzy EMS system that is actually easy to install for a no tech guy with all of the pieces needed with it and I do mean all of the parts (or Muzzy offer installation), a rear seat cowl like the busa has (not shaped like the busa though!) for an option that gives you more storage and saves weight. Real life frame protectors / sliders that work and actually attach to something substantial on the bike. Dino's trunk kit and or his turn signal setup.
OK I admit it, I am always looking for something else to trick out my 12.
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posted August 13, 2002 10:13 PM
Edited By: jason370 on 20 Aug 2002 11:36
what about...................a muzzys steering dampener?
pete,
it just may save your life and you dont even know it yet. i suggest you look up the word or threads on "tankslappers" and you will find a plethora of information on how your front wheel and handlebars could randomly start fluttering back and forth at breakneck speed in which you will have almost no ability to control them or the bike.
if this happens there are basically 2 possible outcomes.......
1) you manage to ride it out and only shit your pants and then immedietely go out and pay FULL price for a steering dampener that will 99% erradicate this possibility or,
2) the bike flails out of control and gets destroyed while you sustain minor injuries, serious injuries, or death.
i'm for the dampener now at a group rate price, how about you?
jason
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jason370
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posted August 13, 2002 10:23 PM
can someone explain wave rotors?
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posted August 13, 2002 10:35 PM
They are wavey!!! The real idea behind them is they rely on the same kind if friction as normal rotors, but they also have edges and because of the shape they wear out pads quicker but in doing so the pads are less likely to glaze. Also the other things are they way less and according to the engineers that designed them they are less likely to warp.
They are also cool looking!!!!!
A group buy on the Muzzy dampner would need to be worked out with Muzzy. I really doubt Charlie Tuna could cut the deal with Muzzy. And having worked with groups of people and group buys I can also tell you that the likelyhood of Jason... getting a group of guys to cough up the dollars for the Muzzy dampner is slim. And not trying to be a smart ass just a realist. Hell if I remember the board had troubles getting everyone to pay for the T-shirts they ordered!!
Big ticket items usually tranlate into I wants, not necesarily here's the money!!!! The board is a good example of people. It is made up a wide variety of people, personalities and incomes. Many months ago someone mentioned that if 4 guys were willing to buy a carbon fiber subframe they would manufacture them. SWFT and I were ready to buy. But so far we are the only two!!
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jason370
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posted August 13, 2002 10:38 PM
ok so whats a cf subframe and why do i want to be the third guy to buy one?
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posted August 13, 2002 10:43 PM
The stock subframe which is the part of the frame that supports the seat and tail section is Aluminum. It is built in typical Kawasaki fashion. Hell for stout. The Carbon Fiber sub frame would replace that unit. A significant weight savings etc. Of course what was being talked about the new subframe would not be set up for having passenger. Ala the Aprilia Mille R. The cost is in the realm of $1200 or so as I remember.
We would also need to find the gentleman and see if he is still interested in building them.
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jason370
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posted August 13, 2002 10:46 PM
its not that i am cheap, but i actually like to have an occasional passenger. the subframe aint for me. now if you want to talk muzzys dampener, i'm all ears
jg
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frEEk
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posted August 13, 2002 11:32 PM
ya know, i bin droolin over a cf subframe fer ages. i figure it'd be one of the best places to lose weight. & a year ago i woulda signed up. stoopid lousy fuckin empty bank account!!!
i too like the ss swingarm idea. based on the post gozr authored about the 7R swingarm on the 12, i would think one a those could b made to fit. may be alot of custom modifications tho. but personally i think i'd choose one a them CF swingarms instead.
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posted August 14, 2002 09:59 AM
ddpete3...a steering dampner damps the high-speed left-right oscillation(sp)(hey we need spell check here!) of your handlebars which could result in a very bad hi-side crash....dunno exactly how the oscillation(sp) starts, but I know that its bad...very bad...I think going over a substantial bump at hi-speed while leaned over is one of them...any survivors of tankslappers out there to clarify?
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bbwatercool
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posted August 15, 2002 06:16 PM
ok you guys have asked and i will give...you want wave rotors, i got them...$279.95 ea which comes to $560 a set for the front...they retail for over $670...call me at the shop if you want them...i will work on the muzzy steering dampner and see what i can do since i am a dealer for them...
thanks,
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